Knight Phaeton

Культистов забыл. А так да. Некронами разбавить и можно играть.

Забавно, но совершенно не нужно. Противник забьет на крепыша и будет стрелять в другие цели.

Обли не нужны. Невозможность постоянно стрелять нужным оружием (лазками, да) всё портит.

Можно поинтересоваться, что тематичного в стандартном паверном наборе с ненужным Ариманом? А так, или крестик снимите, или трусы наденьте.

Новый патч, отличный патч! Раскрывающийся текст BALANCE CHANGES wrote: General - generic changes on availability: base availability don't change (but otherwise stated individually below), but the more experienced cards of the unit received availability buff. - removal of the extra HE damage for infantry in woods. - switching the SUPPORT & HELICOPTER categories' activation points costs (Support slots are cheaper, Helo ones more expensive). - all unarmed & 'Very Good" optics recon jeep base availability per card decreased from 8 to 6. Logistics - all FOBs (any nation) price decreased from 100 to 75$. - CSSR VSOT-64A/R2 base availability per card increased from 3 to 4. Support - CSSR Strop 2's gun switched from vz.53/59 to a 2A38M (same as Tunguska, but single tube), with increased anti-helo range (2800m), RoF (272rpm) & accuracy (9). - Polish & E-German ZSU-57-2 ammo consumption fixed (it affect the RoF display, although performance are unchanged. - Polish & E-German ZSU-57-2 range against helicopters increased from 2450m to 2800m. - Polish ZSU-23-4 Szilka base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Soviet BTR-152E ZPTU-2 base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - E-German Fla-MG SPW-152E base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - Soviet BTR-152E ZPTU-4 base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - CSSR Strop 2 base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - Polish Kub-M service date changed for 1974. - all NSWP Kub-M base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - Soviet Buk base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - Soviet & E-German Osa base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - all Pact Osa-AK/Romb base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - Soviet Osa-AKM base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - E-German FlaRak Strela-1 base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Soviet Ural ZU-23-2 base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - Polish Hibneryt ZU-23-2 base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - Soviet 2S9 Nona price decreased from 50 to 40$. - Soviet 2S9 Nona direct-fire accuracy increased from 2 to 4. - Soviet 2S9 Nona indirect accuracy increased. - Soviet 2S23 Nona-SVK price decreased from 60 to 50$. - Soviet 2S23 Nona-SVK direct-fire accuracy increased from 2 to 5. - Soviet 2S23 Nona-SVK indirect accuracy increased. - Polish BM-24 base availability per card increased from 3 to 4. - E-German MFRW BM-24 base availability per card increased from 3 to 4. - French AMX-13 Oeil Noir base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Norwegian NM195 base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Danish Hawk base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - W-German FlakPz M42A1 base availability increased per card increased from 12 to 16. - W-German FlakPz M42A1 optics decreased from Exceptional to Very Good (not being a radar unit). - French AMX-30 Roland base availability per card decreased from 8 to 6. - French VAB VDAA base availability increased per card increased from 8 to 12. - Swedish Lvrbv 701 price decreased from 35 to 30$. - American M163 Vulcan price decreased from 25 to 20$. - British Falcon price ddecreased from 25 to 20$. - W-German LARS base availability per card increased from 3 to 4. - Swedish Ikv 103 base availability increased per card increased from 12 to 16. Recon - E-German Grenzer speed decreased from 27 to 18 km/h. - E-German Grenzer base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Polish Zwiadowcy RPG-2 ammunitions increased from 4 to 6. - Soviet PT-76B base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - Soviet PT-71 base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - Soviet PT-76B DShK base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - Soviet & E-German BRM-1 base availability per card decreased from 4 to 3. - Soviet & E-German BRM-1 price decreased from 65 to 55$ - CSSR BPvZ Svatava base availability per card decreased from 4 to 3. - CSSR BPvZ Svatava price decreased from 70 to 60$ - Polish & E-German BTR-40/SPW-40 base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - Polish & E-German BTR-40A/SPW-40A base availability per card increased from 6 to 8. - Soviet & E-German UAZ-469 KPV base availbility per card decreased from 8 to 6. - Soviet UAZ-469 AGS-17 base availability increased from 4 to 6. - Soviet UAZ-469 AGS-17 number of cards availabile decreased from 2 to 1. - Soviet UAZ-469 AGS-17 price decreased from 50 to 45$. - CSSR UAZ-469 vz59 base availability increased from 4 to 6. - CSSR OT-65RL base availability decreased from 4 to 3. - Polish Mi-2Ro base availability decreased from 4 to 3. - Polish Mi-2Ro price increased from 55 to 65$. - Norwegian HV speed increased from 13 to 18 km/h. - Norwegian HV M72 LAW ammunitions increased from 2 to 4. - Norwegian HV base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - W-German BGS speed increased from 13 to 18 km/h. - W-German BGS RL-83 Blindicide ammunitions increased from 3 to 6. - W-German BGS base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - British Rover Pinky base availability increased from 4 to 6. - British Rover Pinky number of cards availabile decreased from 2 to 1. - British Rover Pinky price decreased from 50 to 45$. - American M151A2 FAV base availability increased from 4 to 6. - American M151A2 FAV number of cards availabile decreased from 2 to 1. - American M151A2 FAV price decreased from 50 to 45$. - French AMX-13/90 base availability increased from 4 to 8. - French AMX-10RC base availability increased from 4 to 6. - French AMX-10RC price decreased from 50 to 40$. - British Ferret Mk.1 price increased from 30 to 35$. - Canadian M113 C&R Lynx price decreased from 40 to 35$. - French M201 106mm base availability increased from 4 to 6. - French M201 106mm price decreased from 40 to 35$. - Swedish Epvb 30222 price decreased from 45 to 40$. - British FV101 Scorpion base availability increased from 6 to 8. - British FV107 Scimitar base availability increased from 4 to 6. - American V-150 base availability increased from 4 to 8. - American V-150 20mm base availability increased from 4 to 8. - American V-150 20mm price increased from 30 to 35$. - American V-150 76mm base availability increased from 4 to 8. - American V-150 90mm base availability increased from 4 to 8. - American LAV-25 Scout price decreased from 60 to 50$. - American M1025 Humvee GAU base availability increased from 4 to 6. - American M1025 Humvee Mk.19 base availability increased from 4 to 6. - American M113 ACAV base availability increased from 6 to 8. - American M551 ACAV base availability increased from 4 to 6. - Norwegian M24 base availability increased from 6 to 8. - Danish M41 base availability increased from 6 to 8. - Danish M41 price decreased from 35 to 30$. - W-German SpPz Kürz base availability increased from 6 to 8. - W-German SPz Luchs base availability increased from 4 to 6. - W-German SPz Luchs A1 price decreased from 60 to 55$. - Canadian Ferret Mk1 base availability per card decreased from 8 to 6. - British Ferret Mk2 base availability per card decreased from 8 to 6. - Swedish Hkp 6A price decreased from 50 to 40$. - Canadian CH-146 base availability decreased from 6 to 4. - American OH-58C Kiowa base availability decreased from 6 to 4. - American OH-58D Kiowa base availability decreased from 4 to 3. - American OH-58D Kiowa price increased from 70 to 75$. - British Gazelle AH.1 base availability decreased from 4 to 3. - British Gazelle AH.1 SNEB base availability decreased from 4 to 3. Infantry - all NSWP Fagot team service date changed to 1975. - E-German Pionier service date moved to 1974. - Polish Lekka Piechota strenght increased from 5 to 10 men (ammos increased accordingly). - Polish Lekka Piechota now got a PKM squad machine-gun. - Polish Lekka Piechota availability increased from 10 to 12 per card. - Polish Lekka Piechota price increased from 15 to 20$. - Polish Lekka Piechota doesn't have access to the OT-62 line anymore. - Polish Lekka Piechota are now available in any deck type but Mechanized & Armored. - E-German Panzerjäger's RPG-7V accuracy increased from 8 to 10. - E-German Panzerjäger RPG-7V RoF increased from 10rpm to 20rpm. - CSSR Pancerovniki RPG-7V accuracy increased from 8 to 10. - CSSR Pancerovniki RPG-7V RoF increased from 10rpm to 20rpm. - Soviet Morskaya Pehota RPG rockets loadout increased from 6 to 8 (as all other 15-men squads). - Canadian Blowpipe team missile loadout reduced from 6 to 4 (as any other 2-men MANPAD crew). - Canadian Pathfinders' strenght increased from 5 to 10 men (ammos increased accordingly). - Canadian Pathfinders price increased from 20 to 25 30$. - Swedish RBS 56 classified as prototype. - Swedish RBS 56's number of cards available increased from 1 to 2. - American Light Riflemen now availble in Marine & Airborne decks too. - Canadian MAW's Carl Gustav accuracy increased from 12 to 13. - Canadian MAW's Carl Gustav RoF increased from 10rpm to 20rpm. - American Rangers price increased from 25 to 30$. - Norwegian Gevaermenn now have access to UH-1B, and are available in international Air Assault decks. - American Delta Force LAW ammunitions increased from 6 to 10. Vehicles - Polish SKOT-2 MG switched from a for a PKT (7,62mm) to a DShK (12,7mm). - Polish TOPAS-2AP anti-helicopter range increased from 875m to 1050m. - Soviet BMP-2 Obr. 86 price decreased from 50 to 45$. - Soviet BMP-3's ATGM switched from Bastion to Arkan (2800m, ACC 10, AP 21) and service date moved to 1991. - Soviet BTR-60PAI removed as transport and reintroduce as recon East-German SPW-60PB(ABS). - Soviet BTR-80 accuracy increased from 2 to 4. - Soviet MT-LBVM removed as a transport and reintroduce as the Soviet MTP-LB armored supply vehicle. - Soviet MT-LB speed increased from 60 to 70km/h - Soviet MT-LB renamed MT-LBV. - E-German BRDM-2 Konkurs availability per card increased from 4 to 6 (as all other Pact BRDM-2 Konkurs) - Soviet UAZ-469 Fagot missile changed into a Faktoriya and renamed UAZ-469 Faktoryia. - Soviet UAZ-469 Faktoriya price increased from 15 to 20$. - Soviet UAZ-469 Faktoriya base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - E-German PzJ UAZ Fagot base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - E-German PzJ UAZ Fagot missiles loadout increased from 4 to 6 (as all other Pact UAZ Fagot). - Soviet UAZ-469 Konkurs base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - Danish M6 Mosegris armor increased from 0 to 1 (but top). - W-German Marder 1A3 price decreased from 45 to 40$. - Danish Laro TOW missile loadout increased from 6 to 8. - American M151A2 I-TOW base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - French M201 MILAN base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Canadian M38A1 106mm base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - British FV601 Saladin base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - Swedish Ikv 91 base availability increased per card increased from 8 to 12. Tanks - Soviet T-72 base availability per card increased from 16 to 20. - Soviet T-72A base availability per card increased from 12 to 16. - Polish T-55AM2 Merida base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Soviet PT-90 base availbility increased from 8 to 12. - Soviet T-64B base availability per card increased from 8 to 12. - Soviet T-80BV base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - American M1A1 Abrams base availability per card increased from 4 to 6. - Danish Leopard 1A3-DK base availability per card decreased from 16 to 12. - Danish Leopard 1A3-DK's number of cards available increased from 2 to 3. - W-German KPz M48A2G2 main gun loadout's fixed from 12 (!) to 40 rounds (as all other 105mm M48). - British Scorpion Light Tank's number of cards available increased from 1 to 2. Helicopters - all Pact AA helos (Mi-2URP-G Gniewosz, Mi-2URS, Ka-50 & Sokol)'s SAM RoF fixed to 20rpm (as NATO AA choppers). - E-German THS Mi-8TV rocket loadout fixed to 96. - E-German THS-Mi-8TV price increased from 25 to 30$. - Soviet Ka-29 price decreased from 55 to 50$. - Soviet Mi-24A price decreased from 50 to 45$ (as the E-German variant). - Soviet & Polish Mi-24D, and CSSR Mi-25 price decreased from 60 to 55$ (as the E-German variant). - Soviet Mi-24P & E-German THS Mi-35P price decreased from 85 to 75$. - Soviet Mi-4AV base availability increased from 4 to 6. - Soviet Mi-28 base availability increased from 2 to 3. - Danish TOW Defender base availability increased from 4 to 6. - Danish TOW Defender price decreased from 45 to 40$. - American UH-1C Hog base availability increased from 6 to 8. - American UH-1C Heavy Hog base availability increased from 4 to 6. - French Puma Pirate's autocannon loaded with incendiary HE rounds: gets more chance to ligh up fires. - American SeaHawk availability divided into 2 cards. - Norwegian UH-1B brought to UH-1D standards. - Norwegian UH-1B price increased from 5 to 10$. Planes - Soviet MiG-27 service date changed to 1975 - Pact R-77 missile HE damages increased from 5 to 6. - all CH-47 Chinook variants' HP increased from 8 to 10. - Swedish AJ 37 Viggen's Rb75 missile now as the [F&F] trait. - Swedish AJ 37 Viggen's Rb75 missile's RoF increased (two missiles's salvos). - French Jaguar A gun ammunitions increased from 150 to 300 (since it is a twin canon). (seems like we forgot to do the same on the British Jaguar, should be fixed in a next patch). Кратко: востребованные и необходимые балансные правки, во многом побустили ОВД и частично нерфанули смешанную деку НАТО

Тогда это, по крайней мере, сможет играть, хахахаха.

Т-80У заменят Т-64БВ и Т-64БВ1 Мсту заменят Даны, они даже лучше за счет количества Тунгуску М ничего не заменит, но за все надо платить Появятся собственно Даны, Прам-С, Ми-2 РО, Сокол, Су-7БКЛ и противовоздушный МиГ-29.

Спасибо, Кэп.

Если ОВД будет одновременно доступна карточка из двух противовоздушных МиГов-29 и карточка Су-27, я крепко задумаюсь.

phaeton27

Дэсвинг не нужен, это и так все знают. Вопрос в том, что если уж мы его берем, то надо использовать возможную синергию по полной.

Все бы ничего, но 10 терминаторов - это единственный отряд у ТА, в котором полностью раскрывается 2-й уровень либра. Вся школа дивинации работает в этом отряде. Примарис - на стрельбу и рукопашку, все понятно. 1 - овервотч на циклонки и ШБ, чаржить нас будет неприятно 2 - 4++ инвуль, отлично для самого либра и еще для 6 парней без щитов в десятке 3 - мисфортуна всегда найдет в свою цель, потому что десятка дропается рядом с врагом 4 - игнор кавра на циклонки очень приятен для отстреливания всяких девастаторов в руинах / закидывания шаблонами крутов 5 - реролл всего либру, ставим в первый ряд и танкуем 2+ с рероллом 6 - единственный спелл, не влияющий на результативность отряда, смело меняем на примарис. И поэтому брать десятку и либра, но не брать 2-й уровень для меня выглядит самоограничением. А со вторым уровнем не складывается баланс резервов из-за нехватки очков. Вот в чем проблема.

Модеры, пора переименовать тему в "Wargame: Airland Battle" МиГи-29 сверху на картинке будут германскими прототипами или будут доступны всему ОВД?

Почему-то мне кажется, что они должны были highly appreciate позицию России начала девяностых и жалеют о тех славных временах.

Хсм продолжат страдать, только с новыми ненужными 3+ Маринами. Тау продолжат нагибать. Ничто не ново под луной.

Не факт, совсем не факт. Это могут быть, да что там, уже СР шестой редакции. А следующие кодексы могут быть хорошими, сбалансированными, грамотными, но не такими.

За один пых 650+ очков... С тематичными thousand sons покатит.

Белиал 190 Термолибр, 2 уровень 130 Командник с ФНП 350 10 Терминаторов 500 5 Терминаторов 250 5 Терминаторов 250 3 байка + АБ с ММ 165 3 байка + АБ с ММ 165 Ровно 2000. На столе 4 юнита из байков, в резерве 6 юнитов. FAIL. Что делать, есть у кого какие мысли? Так-то концепт стройный получается.

Снобизм? Тот, кто покупает продукт информационной войны против своего народа, достоин кое-чего поострее, чем "снобизм", хехе. P.s.

Чем вам нравится десятка, можете аргументировать? Мои личные ощущения: размениваем маневр и юнит трупсы на дополнительную стойкость. При этом представляем более легкую цель для интерсепта риптайда и блинов вообще. У меня был отряд в 10 и отряд в 5 + скауты в качестве трупсы, не хватало. Поэтому думаю погонять пятерки, под ФНП должно зажечь. P.s. + под десятку просится либр, а я решил убрать либров из десвинга, работает посредственно.

Wargame, и этим все сказано. А эти детсадовские поделки оставили бы тем, кого не воротит от сингла - тем как раз пойдет.

Белиал 190 Командник с ФНП 350 5 Терминаторов 250 5 Терминаторов 250 5 Терминаторов 250 5 Терминаторов 250 5 Скаутов 70 3 байка + АБ с ММ 165 3 байка + АБ с ММ 165 Я бы так строил. Выходит 1940 очков, еще 60 остается на персональную доводку.

Главный вопрос - каких наполняющих номера на столе юнитов взять для отправки всей дипстрайкающейся части собственно в дип страйк.

Видит Император, я желаю ЧХ только добра. Пусть будет конкурентный кодекс. Я просто не вполне понимаю, на чем можно построить spearhead атаки в шестерке, рассчитывая на хтх и 3+.

Ага, ракеты "Злой Храмовник" с4 ап4 маленький бласт. Нефилим передает привет.