sfighrath

I wouldn't panik for the carnifex (and especially not for the trygon as gw will want to sell the new modell. look valkyrie for reference!) BS 3,t 7,sv 2+, S 10, 2*scyters and regeneration cost 190 points right now and THAT (including regeneration that is worth it: FNP & regaining lost wounds on 5+) is what I expect until I get the codex to proof me wrong. I also expect the A value of 4 beeing without scyting talons (so the basic combat fex would be 6A). this would make the carnifex the tank equivalent he is supposed to be and fixes the problem that made nidzilla cheese: a t6 3+sv 4wound creature for 113points. dakkafex would not be dead as with 4 base attacks he would have twice the shots of a normal one (if weapons tays the same). also a venom-fex would make sense as 4 shots s10 which can penetrate normally on a creature which needs at least 4 lascanons to die is well worth ~200 points in my book. just remember, that IG got very good even though the are not power armored so why should nids suck?

Пусть не контестят, это тиранидам не страшно - уже ж выше описали :)

Нужно еще 12 :)

Помоему там было сказано, что если мина оказывается в дружественном отряде, то она немедленно удаляется из игры.

Что-то тут нечисто... ведь прошел же биовор плейтест в ГВ. А если две миссии он так жестоко обрубает... Что-то тут не то. Или никто их 3 по 5 не брал во время тестов? :)

Армию врага (особенно рукопашную) пачкой мин можно просто разделить на части и уничтожать постепенно. А если взять биовор-лимит (15 штук = 30 больших шаблонов в ход), то вообще страшно :))) Стол превратится в один опасный, движущийся ковер из мин. Двигаться только телепортами. Нервничать будут все армии :) Даже скользящие попадания по технике будут симпатично выглядеть - каждый ход обездвиживаться... Все равно что ее не будет :) "И тут Остапа понесло" (с)

"Codex: Tyranids contains a whole new set of creatures that are not yet covered by Citadel Miniatures. Enthusiastic players will want to create their own Tyrannofex or Tervigon with the help of the descriptions and images from the bestiary. (The product brief advises that) these can be assembled from a combination of parts of the Carnifex, Trygon and Tyranid Monstrous Arms Bitz Pack." "Tyranid Warriors - Can be converted to an Alpha Warrior, a Tyranid HQ, which is ideal to lead a growing army of Tyranids or support a Hive Tyrant in its task. (The product brief advises that) you can combine the Tyranid Warriors kit with the new plastic Raveners to represent an Alpha Warrior." "Trygon - Many parts of this kit are compatible with the Carnifex, enabling customers to create their own Tyranid monstrosities. In addition to the entry in Codex: Tyranids, there is also the option for Trygon with Ravener Brood 'Tunnel Swarm' formation for Apocalypse." "Mawloc - Special rule is called 'Terror from the Deep' and it can 'smash defenses'." (This may just be flowery descriptive text rather than necessarily in-game function) "Pyrovore - Are melee monsters that devour their enemies, breaking down the biomass of their victims and then transforming it into a powerful acid attack (in the form of a flamer template)."

Я имел в виду птс, но по деньгам тоже ничего так сумма...

Три штуки на армию - это будет дорого :( Если скаттер будет кидаться по БС, то будут жуткие смещения... Да и за край стола не дай бог вылетишь...

Так и вижу трех Мавлоков расшвыривающих армию противника каждый ход. ИГ и орки с ума сойдут :)

Вот интересно, Мавлок сможет залезть обратно под землю прямо из ХтХ?

Мне друг показывал кодекс маринов, что у их какого-то геройского скаута есть возможность самому вунды распределять в атакованном им отряде. Не этот ли случай?

Okay, now it's my turn to pass on the official product brief info. Much was similar to what Breg posted, what I have done is a straight comparison with the Summary in the first post and removed anything already marked as confirmed (not "supposedly", "possibly" or "rumoured" )... The Dude can purloin what he may. Hive Tyrant - increased WS and I Tyrant Guard - gain Furious Charge and Rage if the Hive Tyrant they are guarding is killed Hive Guard - BS4 Lictor - increased stats (e.g. 3 Wounds), reduced points cost Pyrovore - similar statline to Tyrant Guard, "Flamer" (my inverted commas) Poisoned 2+, AP3 Tyranid Warriors - 2 Wounds, 4+ Sv as standard Hormagaunts - I5 and Ld6, points cost halved Gargoyles - Poisoned rule: Each roll of 6 to hit and to wound cause a wound, reduced points cost Carnifex - 1-3 per slot, WS4, BS3 as standard Trygon - Close combat monster, when Deep Striking if it lands on a model it counts as having assaulted that model/unit Mawloc - Less close combat orientated, when Deep Striking any model touched suffers a S6 AP2 hit and survivors are pushed out the way as the Mawloc emerges. At the end of any subsequent Tyranid movement phase the Mawloc can re-burrow and will automatically arrive the following Tyranid turn applying its special Deep Striking rules.

А можно поподробнее мысль для тех, кто с Тау не играл и кодекс их не читал? :)

Кстати, довольно интересная артиллерийская атака, когда используется не круглый шаблон, а огнеметный. А направление огнеметного шаблона - прямая между Пировором и точкой, куда пришелся выстрел. Запуск эдакой бочки с горючей вязкой жидкостью, которая разлетается не кругом, а по инерции вперед... Кстати, если хайв гвардам не нужен ЛОС, то они получаются стреляют навесным оружием со всеми вытекающими последтствиями?

Some more official info: All entries get new artwork. At least two new bioweapons: a canon (Hive Guard and/or Pyrovore) and a thorax swarm (Pyrovore?). Broodlord no HQ (still hoping for Broodlord Alpha being one). Ravenors compatible sizewise with Warriors (was said before IIRC) Carnifex gets more attacks and better BS. Broods of 3 confirmed. Biomorphs for Gargoyles not included but sprue available separately (most people will have enough from the gaunts boxes). "Venom rending" confirmed (automatic wound on 6). Trygon same size as FW one (see attached pic, my trygon based on a CD). Monstrous creature, parts compatible with carnifex. Will form tunnel swarm together with Ravenors. Will get Apocalypse data sheets in WD Ferbuary. Alpha Trygon Synapse. Mawloc (German Morgon!) shock troop, can fall back, can borrow/disappear during movement phase just to shock back next round. If Mawloc base shocking in contact with enemy base, place 5" template above and everyone in contact with it will get S6 AP2 hit. Pyrovore called cc monster with said acid spray attack, but personally I am still convinced of the second artillery attack. GW suggests to also use Pyrovore counting as big Biovore. Broodlord and Warriors removed from HQ, leaving the lone Hive tyrant (still hoping for Alpha variants). Tyrant guard gets frenzy and another rule, if Hive Tyrant is killed. Lictor not 0-1 anymore, one more life, cheaper. Death leaper in Codex with some special rules and mail order only. Red Terror not rulewise in Codex (just mentioned), model can be used counting as Ravenor. Zoanthrope has "long range" anti-tank (longer than before?). The biovore mentioned was released for Medusa V campaign. Only Biovore model I like. And the Aliens finally absorbed Predators to get the new Mawloc mouth So much for now.

Вот интересно, как вылезший из под земли мавлок будет разбрасывать выжившую после удара S6 вражескую пехоту и танки?

На мой взгляд Ужас и Старик выбиваются по стилистике из общего модельного ряда...

Just got back from having a beer with an 'informed' friend he stated that "Canifex's will have the option to charge through a combat or opposing unit to reach a desirved unit, this will cuase some wounds to the unit you chose the charge through" He neglegted to say more to me though

Well, though both beasts are out in the open now, I'll tell you what I know about Trygon and Mawloc. Trygon: Melee Monster (that's aperantly logical.) May be upgraded (Trygon Alpha) to a Synapse Creature that provides a biomagnetic field. I do not know if he may deep strike. I do not no anything about him being fielded together with Raveners. My source stated that there will be some new Warhammer 40000 : Apocalypse Datasheets within the next white dwarfs. Mawloc: Less CC abilities than the Trygon. Always deep strikes. Has the hit and run special rule. He may decide to resubmerge in the movement phase. (though I think not in the same that he appeared) If he comes into contact with any unit during deployment while deepstriking, the 5 " Blast template is placed above him and all units under the template suffer a S6 AP2 hit. My source was not quiet sure if that means one hit per unit, or if any model is affected. The Trygon Kit is compatible with the Carnifex-kit. ------------------------------- "Hive Guard are a brand-new unit type that can each unleash two Strength 8 shots a turn and who don't need line-of-sight to their target." "Hormagaunts are lightning fast assault troops and are now only half the points they were in the previous Codex." "Venomthropes are large, bloated creatures whose toxin sacs allow them to wound any foe on a 2+. " "Add the all-new Pyrovore to your Tyranid army and watch as its acidic mucous eats through enemy infantry. "

Помоему фразу "ППЦ врагу" выговаривает лучше всех Тригон с раскрытой пастью :)

Tyranid Hormagaunt Brood The Hormagaunt is a highly specialised Tyranid bioform. Each Hormagaunt has four razor-sharp claws specially developed for ripping and piercing flesh and armour, and powerful hind legs that allow the creature to dart into combat at an astounding speed. This box set contains 12 multi-part plastic Hormagaunts. This 72-piece set includes: four different head designs and two different body designs. Models supplied with 25mm round bases. Tyranid Termagant Brood Termagants are fast, agile and cunning creatures. In planetary invasions, Termagants scuttle forward on four legs whilst unleashing torrents of fire from the anti-personnel bio-weaponry clutched in their clawed forelimbs. This box set contains 12 multi-part plastic Termagants and one Ripper Swarm. This 175-piece set includes: three different head designs, two different body designs, fleshborers, spinefists, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs. Also included are 12 25mm round bases and one 40mm round base. Tyranid Hive Guard The Hive Guard are charged with protecting Tyranid structures and are capable of unleashing salvo after salvo of intense firepower. Essentially gun-beasts, they are heavily armoured and have a body designed to be a stable firing platform for the massive impaler cannon bonded to their forelimbs. Physically linked to the shard-beasts that comprise the ammunition to their cannons, Hive Guard can target enemies with unerring accuracy - even those who they cannot see. This blister contains one finely-detailed metal Tyranid Hive Guard armed with Impaler cannon. Model supplied with a 40mm round base. Tyranid Venomthrope The Venomthrope's whip-like tentacles drip with a multitude of alien poisons. Indeed, so potent are these toxins that it is believed that a Venomthrope's very touch means certain death. Under a Venomthrope's heavy carapace is a network of bulging, gas filled bladders that emit yellowish spore clouds. These clouds are lethal to non-Tyranid organisms and dense enough to obscure nearby Tyranid organisms. This blister contains one finely-detailed metal Venomthrope. Model supplied with a 40mm round base. Tyranid Pyrovore A Pyrovore's maw drips with corrosive acids that are powerful enough to reduce armour, flesh and bone to a gooey, smouldering mucous. When confronted by a foe the Pyrovore launches forth an incandescent fireball from its dorsal bio-weapon that reduces its victim to a pile of burning ash. This box set contains one seven-part, finely-detailed metal Tyranid Pyrovore. Model supplied with a 60mm round base Tyranid Ravener Brood Raveners were designed for shock assault and swift pursuit. They have incredible senses which allow them to track their prey over massive distances and detect the slightest movement, and a taut musculature that grants them terrifying speed. Raveners slither towards the foe with bewildering swiftness as their thorax-mounted weapon-symbiotes spit death. This box set contains three multi-part plastic Tyranid Raveners. This 57-piece set includes a range of additional components that allow you to personalise your Ravener Brood. Models supplied with 40mm round bases. Tyranid Gargoyle Brood Gargoyles are often the first wave of a Tyranid swarm to be seen in battle. Thus a Tyranid attack is preceded by the beating of thousands of membranous wings as Gargoyle Broods descend upon the foe; blocking out the sun, and spitting death from their fleshborers and caustic venom from their fanged mouths. This box set contains 10 multi-part plastic Tyranid Gargoyles. Models supplied with small flying bases. Tyranid Trygon / Mawloc The Trygon is a colossal serpentine creature whose iron-hard carapace is proof against all but the heaviest of weapons and whose giant talons can scythe through even the most formidable battle-tank. In battle, a Trygon's shifting mass generates lethal bio-electric energy that it unleashes upon its foes in vicious arcs of lighting. Mawlocs are huge worm-like creatures with massive razor-toothed maws that act as the entryway to their equally cavernous gullets. Most of a Mawloc's victims are swallowed whole, there to be painfully digested. Anything to large to swallow is pounded flat by the Mawloc's muscular tail before being devoured. This box set contains one large multi-part plastic miniature that can be assembled as either a Tyranid Trygon or Tyranid Mawloc. This 97-piece set contains a range of additional components that allow you to personalise your model. Model supplied with a large oval base.

Армия диверсантов из ликторов и дипстрайка, армия на зоантропах, орда, массмонстра, летающая... Однако разнообразие :) Косы на гантов не придется клеить - они ж теперь будут в разных коробках продаваться. Ну если только из батлфорса или уже закупленные у кого... Замечательно, что Карни подняли баллистик, а то вчера играл - пару раз шаблоны чуть свою армию не накрыли :)

Пересмотрел, не нашел указания на какой из трех типов мин производит карнифекс... Если биовор за определенный вид мин платит соответствующие очки, то про карни - тихо...

Еще вопрос: споровые гнезда карнифекса какой тип мин производят?