[HH-49] Wolfsbane

[Эскил]

Ну в "Тысяче сынов" Магнус выдал им нехилых люлей.

Но

Повернулись головы. Волки-близнецы Русса сдавленно зарычали. Брови Волчьего Короля поднялись.

Это уже после событий на Просперо, в Алаксесе.

Изменено 4 февраля, 2018 пользователем Эскил

[Monique]

И близко нет.

В "Ереси Гора 7 - Пекло" пишут, что КВ потеряли на Просперо всего 25000 космодесатников (из 75000 участвовавших в мероприятии). Всего же КВ было около 130000.

Всего Волков должно было быть 130 тысяч (13 Великих рот по 10 тысяч). А было к началу Ереси 95-100 тысяч.

[Mad_Rat]

Ну в "Тысяче сынов" Магнус выдал им нехилых люлей.

Но

Это уже после событий на Просперо, в Алаксесе.

Да, я проверял, в Wolf King волки живые.

[RedFurioso]

Я всё никак не могу понять, почему в начале "Шрамов" у Космических Волков очень сильно покоцан флот? Если тысячники отвели свой флот к границам системы и никаких космических боёв там не было.

[Monique]

Я всё никак не могу понять, почему в начале "Шрамов" у Космических Волков очень сильно покоцан флот? Если тысячники отвели свой флот к границам системы и никаких космических боёв там не было.

А между Просперо и Алакксесом прошло 2-3 года...

[Pictor Jack]

Синопсис:

The time has come. Leman Russ, primarch of the Space Wolves, withdraws his Legion from Terra and makes all haste for Horus’s position, to try and end the traitor once and for all.

The time has come for Leman Russ, primarch of the Space Wolves, to fulfil his vow and attempt to stop Warmaster Horus before he breaks through to the Segmentum Solar. In the face of opposition from three of his brother primarchs, Russ withdraws the Space Wolves legion from Terra and makes all haste for Horus’s position. Reports from Malcador the Sigillite’s agents suggest that Horus is utterly changed, and infused with a diabolical power so great that no man can stand against him. A warrior of Fenris would never willingly abandon his oaths, but with Horus beyond the touch of mortal blades, the Lord of Winter and War may have doomed himself for the sake of honour…

[Theo Adam]

Трисолярий - это они оперативно у Лю Цисиня потырили название?

[Pictor Jack]

Prospero Burns has a huge influence on the tone of the scenes with Russ and the rest of his Legion. It might be a good idea to re-read it before you jump into this.

It covers a lot, including flashbacks to when Russ was discovered by the Emperor and a PoV piece from Horus' perspective as the Emperor asks him to take Russ under his wing and teach him about how the Imperium makes war. Guy shows the first elements of jealousy come into Horus, in that he is no longer the sole son of the Emperor and others will share in what he has with the Big E.

Bjorn gets some serious page time in this, and from what I've seen he comes across rather well for it.

[RedFurioso]

Релиз в мае

[Expert_Bob]

Ходят слухи, что Леман превратится в вульфена во время боя и откусит ногу Хорусу, но она потом отрастет xD

Изменено 4 февраля, 2018 пользователем Expert_Bob

[Pictor Jack]

Ходят слухи, что Леман превратится в вульфена во время боя

Это, на самом деле, было бы круто! :)

Кстати, обложка в приличном разрешении:

(кликабельно, 1400x2127)

[RedFurioso]

"Раскрывающийся текст"

The concept of the novel takes place before the Beta-Garmon campaign and involves Russ taking the role of Executioner to remove Horus. An act that Dorn disagrees with. The story is from the perspective of either Russ or Bjorn.

The extract that Guy read involved the VIth returning to Fenris after the events of Vengeful Spirit. They arrive back just as the Fenrisian summer is drawing to a close. The extract gave a really clear view of the planet and the Fang itself. It really emphasised the size of the VIth Legion`s fortress and the relationship they have with the planet. It also gave an insight into the effect of recent events such as the Prosperine Campaign and the Alpha Legion attacks. It also quantified the number of casualties the VIth had taken – two-thirds of Russ`s sons had died.

A central theme of the novel is the mysticism behind the Legion and Guy does not shy away from the hypocritical stance of the Legion towards the Edict of Nikea and psykers. In fact, Guy highlight one scene where there is a showdown between Dorn and Russ on the same matter. Part of the intent behind this is to reflect the growing power of the Warp, Chaos and proscribed powers and how the Legion is reacting towards this.

Guy also discussed the impact on Horus following his ascension following Molech. One area that BL are now keen to avoid is first person perspective from Horus as he now so far beyond human that his motives, desires and thought-process are difficult to follow. This is not to say they won`t delve into his character but Horus is now in the same position as the Emperor is in terms of writing about him.

It was only general discussion around the novel that took place as Guy didn`t want to give too much away about the story. He did reveal that Cawl does feature in it.

"Раскрывающийся текст"

Very early on it tells Horus' point of view of his first meeting with Russ. They watch Leman Russ and his entourage through a glass (presumably one way) screen.

The Emperor is beaming with pride at finding son number 2 and Horus is really struggling internally with the thought of sharing.

It's a short section but while he's debating with the Emperor if they should blast Fenris off the face of the universe the Wolves are in the background laughing and joking about. Chasing serfs around, accidentally smashing glass. Horus considers them nothing.

The Emperor keeps saying "don't underestimate them" and it's shown to be true when the Terran commander of the 6th walks in and the joking all ends and immediately the Wolves are looking serious, primed for war.

When Horus goes to speak to Russ, Russ is speaking in broken gothic and they are debating the Emperor and the Imperial Truth.

Stuff is said essentially along the lines of - you can't act like a God and say there is no God but Horus tries to dismiss it.

As they are about to say cheerio, Russ says "Shall we fight?" and Horus says they could spar one day yes. Russ is all "no, fight" as in a proper fight. He asks Horus who would win and Horus says him and Russ says "maybe so."

It sets the book up really well for me.

Russ seems to have an issue with his beliefs in the book, the wyrd comes up a lot. He says when he's with the Emperor he only knows the Imperial Truth but with his legion he believes in all that stuff. He has the golden spear that the Emperor gave him and he sees it as a bad omen. He leaves it behind on Terra at one point and it's delivered back to him. He knows it's tied to his fate but he can't risk throwing it away in to a super nova or anything.

There's just a nice characterisation of the hypocrisy. Dorn flat out calls him a hypocrite on Terra and they try and fix the issue for us the readers. It's still messy but it's going down the "our guys know limits, they do not know limits".

I really enjoy reading about Russ because he's always portrayed as very human. He's confident at times but not at others.

Anyway that's a wee taster, there's plenty more where that came from

[Expert_Bob]

интересные выдержки ) особенно то что ПОВов Хоруса после Молеха нам не видать, ну и про 2/3 легиона тоже...1/3 на Просперо допустим, а где еще столько же ? в Алаксисе ? оО

[Monique]

интересные выдержки ) особенно то что ПОВов Хоруса после Молеха нам не видать, ну и про 2/3 легиона тоже...1/3 на Просперо допустим, а где еще столько же ? в Алаксисе ? оО

10-я Великая рота не участвовала в Сожжении Просперо, и в списке действующих лиц тоже не упомянута. Не она ли (во главе со Скюраром Тёмным Волком?) свинтит к предателям?

[laertan]

Оу, описание ранних лет воспитания примархов, должна быть годнота.

P.S. Интересно, если POV Императора и Хоруса не будет, как же будут описывать финал саги - битву двух персонажей, от лица которых нельзя вести повествование? Только от лица Олла Перссона? Ну не будет же там полный партер зрителей.

[Mad_Rat]

P.S. Интересно, если POV Императора и Хоруса не будет, как же будут описывать финал саги - битву двух персонажей, от лица которых нельзя вести повествование? Только от лица Олла Перссона? Ну не будет же там полный партер зрителей.

Ну вообще тот самый рассказ, который был в конце Виженсов - он написан от ПОВа Императора. Не от первого лица, но тем не менее.

Можно его перепечатать вообще.

Изменено 5 февраля, 2018 пользователем Mad_Rat

[Expert_Bob]

Думается под отсутствием ПОВов подразумевается отсутствие целых глав где Хорус [ну уж нет]одится в центре внимания как в первых книгах, но это не значит, что в финальной битве он и Император будут молчать )

Опишут косвенно-прямой речью и все норм будет.

[kolyan68]

Ну не будет же там полный партер зрителей.

По идее - туда Локена выведут. Плюс - еще в старом беке был кустодий, которого Хорус жестоко грохнул. На мостике наверное ж еще кто то из хаоситов мог остаться. Партер-не партер, а народу достаточно собирается.

Изменено 6 февраля, 2018 пользователем kolyan68

[Monique]

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/3...bane/?p=5004315

"СПОЙЛЕР!!!"

The first thing I will say is that there are parts that I thought were great, and there were parts I thought were either unnecessary or poorly executed. Overall it's still one of the better books of the series, but it's not without it's faults.

To set the scene, the prologue is the first meeting between Russ and Horus directly after he's been found by the Emperor. Horus and the Big E are observing Russ and some of his 'pack' and discussing their induction into the Imperium and Russ being given the VIth Legion to command. It goes to great lengths within 3 pages to tell you that Horus is jealous of the fact that others will share in the Emperors presence, and he want's to be the sole person who does that. That Horus is a jealous sole, and that in time he'll become jealous of the Emperor. It's a nice scene in the way that it introduces Russ, and the way that the Emperor knows there's a difference between the Russ that his pack brothers sees and the actual Russ, with him constantly telling Horus not to underestimate him. There's a great bit where Russ and Horus are talking, and Russ is having problems with some of the words of the Imperium and is referring to aspects of Fenrisian life, Horus starts to correct Russ on the proper terminology and Russ is "Oh, ok. I only started learning your language 5 days ago" which amazes Horus. But the scene is very blunt in the overall message: Horus is a jealous soul...

Book begins on Terra, and specifically the arrival of Sanguinius to Terra from Guillimans Little Heresy. Russ has been getting debriefs from the team that Malcador sent out to mark up the Venegeful Spirit for an attack, and last on his list is Loken. It's a good little piece between the last of the Loyal Lunar Wolves and the Wolf King, and the final question that Russ poses to Loken is great: "Can I kill him?" to which Loken eventually replies "No...". However even in this scene there's the telegraphing of future things, specifically the Spear. You're pointed to the Spear, towards the back of Russ command room where his other weapons are much closer to him, and the way that Russ keeps an eye on it because he doesn't fully trust it. And that's something that carries through the book - Russ doesn't like or trust the Spear, and only accommodates it because it's a gift from the Emperor that he made. He doesn't dare try to destroy it, but often tries to "accidentally" leave it behind places only to find it coming back to him. Even when Sanguinius returns and there's to be a meeting between the Primarchs on Terra, Russ stubbornly takes the Spear with him just in case the Emperor shows up, he doesn't want to seem ungrateful for it despite not liking it.

The meeting of the Primarchs was a bit mixed. It had some great points but overall my impression of the Primarchs other than Russ were that they just felt underwhelming. The discussion between them felt like it could have been between mid-tier Astartes rather the pinnacle of the Emperors work, and the dialogue felt mostly interchangeable. The use of Librarians and Rune Priests, and the fundamental hypocrisy of Russ being one of the more vocal proponents of Nikea and the sanctioning of Magnus was brought up, and it was handled in such a way to make you go "That makes sense, guess we can move on to bigger things". Dorn is still fixated on defence, to which everyone but Russ is agreed upon and Russ announces that he's off to kill the Warmaster. Everyone in the room is against that, taking away a Primarch and a Legion from the defence of Terra - and in one of the funnier moments of the book Russ declares that should the Emperor himself decree that he should stay then he will. He then yells out to the Emperor to let him know he should stay, mocks a 'listening to the silence' by tilting his head slightly and more or less goes "... well, I think we have an answer". Russ is really likeable in this book.

As his Legion is preparing to depart from Terra, Russ get's summoned by Malcador for a discussion, and a seemingly customary board game that has deeper meaning... Malcador reveals that Russ cannot defeat Horus with his new power, and that should Russ head out that neither he or the Emperor can see what will happen as a result. Russ is still determined to go, but need to take his Legion somewhere first before heading to the Venegeful Spirit for a confrontation with his brother, and leaves Malcador. Malcador notices that Russ has left his spear behind...

With the last of the Rout ready to depart Terra, Russ gets a visit from Valdor on his flagship. Russ is somewhat surprised because he's been on Terra for 6 months and tried to get an audience with Vlador with no success, and as he's about to leave Valdor comes to him. Russ starts to question what's going on in the basement of the palace, with the fact that there is a noticeable Custode reduction around the palace. Valdor can't tell him anything, despite Russ correctly determining that there is a battle going on that the Emperor and the Custodes are heading up, and this is why the Emperor hasn't been seen in a long time. Even when Russ simply asks whether or not they're winning, Valdor still can't comment on it. Frustrated Russ demands to know why Valdor has come to see him here and now, to which Valdor replies "You left this behind when you spoke to Malcador" and the Spear is brought in on a velvet lined grave-trolley. OK GUY HALEY WE GET IT - THE SPEAR IS IMPORTANT!!!! So important that Captain-General of the Custodes has been tasked to return it to Russ despite the fact that Horus could literally be arriving in a matter of days...

On a slightly more serious note, this could've been done better with Loken returning the Spear. There could have been a continuation of the meeting at the beginning of the book, Loken desperate to be taken along to face his Primarch again. Valdor didn't need to be in here just for that - and that is solely why he's in the book.

Speaking of characters in this book for no good reason, Belisarius Cawl. At this point he's an acolyte in the Mechanicum who gets raised to the position fo Tech-Adept. He's stationed on a Forge World that's on a warp route to Beta Garmon, and as such is tactically important in the Heresy. He's smart, even by Mechanicum standards, and has way with working things out and creating things. But honestly, this is shoe-horned in at best as there's no actual connection between Cawl and this story other than to set up his 30k persona. The location of the Forge World is important, and anything relating to the events there could be handled by a disposable Tech-Adpet. Seeing as Cawl makes up a solid 10%-15% of the page count of this book, to me it feels really forced.

Russ makes a stop of at Fenris to plan what he is going to do, and this is where the middle part of the book is set and is the best part, in my opinion. It feels very reminiscent of Prospero Burns in the description of the Aett, the way that the Rout talks to each other, and there's a lot of focus on Bjorn as he continues with his Primarchs favour despite being a low level in the overall pecking order. Oh, and he doesn't like being called 'The Fell-Handed', he prefers 'The One-Handed' and it's something that really grinds his gears. I won't speak to much about this part of the book, its the best part and is too full of spoilers.

Back to the Forge World, because guess what? The traitors have arrived demanding compliance and loyalty to the Warmaster and Kelbor Hal. After a small battle the traitors win with the remaining Mechanicum pledging allegiance to the Warmaster directly - he actually shows up to a massive ceremony where all the Mechanicum individually pledge loyalty to Horus at his feet, or get their brains blown out by Abaddon. I'm not kidding here...

And this is one of the main problems for me in the book, that Russ is written very well but every other Primarch doesn't get a similar treatment, Horus in particular. I don't understand why in the middle of an uprising he's leading, on his way to a tactically astute staging ground for a massive invasion of the Sol System comprising of 9 Legions and supporting forces beyond measure, that Horus has the time or the inclination to accept personal fealty from a large number of minor Mechanicum personnel. Except that it gives us a 'cool moment' of Cawl kneeling before the Warmaster, and despite having to say that he's on the side of the Warmaster decides that he can't ever serve someone that evil and has to get out of there. That's literally the only reason I can see that Horus is placed there, if it weren't for Cawl it would have been a random Sons of Horus captain accepting the surrender.

So after returning to Fenris, and formulated a strategy where Russ can help the Imperium by confronting Horus even though he can't defeat the Warmaster (Hint: the spear is really important, in case you missed that earlier), the Rout makes it's way to the Venegeful Spirit. Because those markings on the Venegeful Spirit that the Knights Errant were placing about, they weren't just internal battle signs showing directions or high priority targets, there was also some specially designed runic powers that allow the Rune Priests to track the Venegeful Spirit through the galaxy. And they track him to this Forge World, where Russ takes the majority of his Legion (around 40,000 astartes) and his fleet to tackle the Warmaster.

Again, without spoiling too much, there's a big battle with the bulk of the Rout boarding the Venegeful Spirit where they are massively outnumbered and outgunned. Russ eventually finds his way to Horus, and again poor writing for Horus leaves him twiddling his imaginary moustache as he tries to get Russ to join him, before giving up and flat out attacking him. Horus lives, Russ is badly injured but ultimately accomplishes what he set out to do, and the Rout are left to escape after taking horrendous casualties. With Russ being patched up and unable to lead the remaining jarls take the fleet to Yarrant. Horus gives Abaddon the command to pursue the wolf fleet, before moving his own towards Beta Garmon. And this is where the book ends.

It might sound like I'm being overly harsh, but honestly the best parts of the book are the parts I don't want to talk about - people should experience it for themselves. Russ and the Wolves are portrayed brilliantly here. But this book does have it's problems. Whether it's forcing characters into the narrative, not being able to portray the other Primarchs (especially Horus) with any real depth or dimension, or lacking some subtlety in making you aware of key plot points.

Overall I'd say this is a solid 7 out of 10

[Monique]

Коул во время Ереси преклонил колени перед Гором :o

[Monique]

Знаки, которыми Странствующие Рыцари изрисовали "Мстительный Дух", на самом деле позволяли руническим жрецам отслеживать его положение :o

[Soulsurfer]

Выходит, все-таки, Русс не жопошник? :)

Вальдор, приносящий Руссу, копье "Вы кое-что забыли, сэр!" - это забавно.

[Iron Maiden]

Коул во время Ереси преклонил колени перед Гором :o

Судя по спойлерам, это был отвлекающий маневр - очень не хотел, чтобы с его мозгом сделали что-то ужасное и непоправимое)

Speaking of characters in this book for no good reason, Belisarius Cawl - да ладно, это вообще единственная причина, по которой я стану читать эту книгу!

Спасибо за спойлеры))

Изменено 6 февраля, 2018 пользователем Iron Maiden

[Underdog]

очень жаль, что итогом авантюры Русса не стало ничего хоть чего-нибудь полезного. Я надеялся что стая добьется хоть чего то, чтобы оправдать это самоубийственное задание, но в итоге только битый Русс и разгром легиона волков. Забавная черта у Русса - прежде чем начать думать или признать свою неправоту, ему сначала нужно получить по морде

[Mad_Rat]

очень жаль, что итогом авантюры Русса не стало ничего хоть чего-нибудь полезного. Я надеялся что стая добьется хоть чего то, чтобы оправдать это самоубийственное задание, но в итоге только битый Русс и разгром легиона волков. Забавная черта у Русса - прежде чем начать думать или признать свою неправоту, ему сначала нужно получить по морде

Вообще-то в спойлере прямо написано, что итог некий был (и для него нужно было копье!), но автор спойлера не захотел, кхм, заспойлерить.

В принципе тут описана проблема, которая является недостатком Хейли уже давно: он очень хорошо описывает несколько центральных персонажей, но все остальные выглядят на их фоне очень вяло, почти декорациями. К примеру в Дарк Империуме Жиллиман, его мысли, его чувства, его внутренний монолог, его диалоги со священником - все было прекрасно, но почти все остальные персонажи смотрелись ну не очень(