Chaos Daemons

[Lot D]

А, еще и пластик.

Ну тогда у демонов вообще все хорошо.

Кроме кодекса.

ты сильно ошибаешься жалкий смертный, Демоны сейчас будут всех гнуть. Бафнули тащемто сильно.

[Rommel]

ты сильно ошибаешься жалкий смертный, Демоны сейчас будут всех гнуть. Бафнули тащемто сильно.

Сам ты смертный. Где? Где нас бафнули? Как не было нормальной трупсы, так только хуже стало. Ну да, апнули то, что продавать надо, хотя тех же нурглецов все равно только на конверсии и будут брать.

Кстати, сильно позабавило. Сравните описания пафосно-инфернальной колесницы, что выдирает души, и анекдот про двух демонеток и газонокосилку, что с какого-то перепугу поставили как описание хеллфлеера. При этом модель одна и та же, не считая кол-ва колес.

[Плюш]

Сам ты смертный. Где? Где нас бафнули? Как не было нормальной трупсы, так только хуже стало. Ну да, апнули то, что продавать надо, хотя тех же нурглецов все равно только на конверсии и будут брать.

У демонов отличная трупса. Элита - просто шикарна. ХК тоже есть что взять. Ап чем вайн то?

[F9SSS]

Пока нет скайфаера демоны чувствуют себя лучше за счет ФМЦ.

финды получили немерянный трит.

Фламеры и Скримеры стали добротными юнитами.

Да, порезали ПоверШашки. О Ужос! Но ведь всем же порезали.

[Alfаrius]

 i 
Уведомление:
Миньки вышли. А посему, тема прикрывается до нового релиза.

[Грустный Динозаврик Хаоса]

Новости про кодекс и модельный ряд демонов в следующем году :

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Release Date:

"The daemon rules should be taken as a stepping stone to the updated book (much like the wd vc terrorgheist article) next 4 books (for both systems are all chaos (in one form or another) and will hit within 4-5 months for all of them". (Hastings).

To clarify....Books: CSM, WoC, DoC, Chaos Daemons

All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik) (Hastings)

So we are talking february at the latest?

Author:

Unknown

Rules:

Unknown ... Beyond those suggested by the rules booklet in the recent WD

Models:

All 4 greater Deamons will get plastic kits (with head/weapon options plus wfb/40k specific bits on sprues) and that there will be "resin conversion packs" to make "named greater Deamons". (Hastings) No idea of timescales on this. I am not expecting them to arrive together Or with this wave. (Harry)

Jes Goodwin is rumoured to be doing the Bloodthirster. (BRING IT ON! ) No timescale for this. (NatTreehouse)

Harry wrote:

Well, what I heard ... was two waves of models AND two 'waves' of Greater Daemons. In other words the Greater Daemons would be coming in two pairs.... which makes sense..... not many of us would be able to crash for all four in the same month! However ... until hastings posted I had heard nothing about a book .... for either system.

Stickmonkey wrote:

The models I've had a lot of rumors on are:

Khorne chariot, two bloodcrushers pulling a wagon with herald option or some fire belching thing. Large base

Tzentch chariot, pulled by screamers, with horrors riding, but I've also heard it has a large flamer rider too. Large base

Nurgle palanquin, nurglings, daemon prince base, fat plague bearer.

4 GD with variants for named daemons and swappable options, most rumors point to resin packs, but I've heard wind its all in the plastic kits lately. I'd lean towards Harry's news, but I hope for all in one myself. I have heard that these may be moving to the larger base now, if so, they will be huge. One can hope, but I don't have a lot of confidence in this bit.

Furies (no dual kit options I've heard of.) in plastic.

Plastic fiends were being worked on at one point, but I haven't heard anything about them recently.

New elite daemon engine. 40k Dreadnought sized. Lots of options. Quasi-God specific bits like the soulgrinder. Supposedly unique to daemons not the same as this new unit for chaos space marines.

(...)

The list has been largely debunked by Hastings in the 40k thread. So I would not be sure, and my sources say furies are a single use box of 5. (however, the VC horrors kit also was told to me to be a single use kit...I think its pretty much a good example of how a dual kit furies might be.)

Both Khorne and Tzentch kits have been describe to me to build multiple units, similar to the slaaneshi chariot building 3 different models...albiet one which needs 2 boxes. So maybe not as obvious...

[Ethical Engineer]

Может кто подскажет где правила на новых демонов смотреть? В каком вайт дворфе например? Спасибо заранее.

[FlashCell]

WD 392 за август месяц. С сайта GW разобрали дня за два, искать либо в магазинах, либо на EBay.

[Грустный Динозаврик Хаоса]

Compilation via Zion over on Heresy Online

Daemon Rumours

For those who just want the quick compilation here it is (actual links and rumour postings are below the compilation for those who want to see where this is all coming from):

Writer: Jeremy Vetock (both books!) (if this is true, it might be why we haven't seen that much from him recently prior to the DA book)

Projected Release: Dual Release in Feb (primarily gathered from other rumours)

Undivided

Chaos Beast (Maybe this guy? ) Approximately Daemon Prince sized/about twice as tall as a Bloodletter

Furies getting redone. Approximately Gargoyle sized with bat wings and a number of different head options (heads are 2 section heads like the Bloodletters). Dual kit with a ground based model option as well. Plastic kit.

New Elite Daemon Engine. Approximately Dreadnought sized. Lots of options with some God-specific model bits. Rumoured to be unique to Daemons.

Khorne

New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)

Jes Goodwin rumoured to be the one who sculpted/is sculpting the new Bloodthirster

Khorne Chariot (2 Bloodcrushers pulling something that looks like a wagon) with a Herald or some kind of new model that looks like it's belching fire.

Some kind of large flame belcher thing (maybe same as the option for the chariot?)

New Bloodthirster reportedly is a little shorter than the Dreadknight, hasn't changes too much in style though.

Tzeentch

New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)

New Chariot, pulled by screamers with Horrors riding it. Has an alternate Large Flamer (Pyrocastser perhaps?) rider option too.

Large Flamer (Pyrocaster perhaps? Maybe the same as the chariot character) “instead of horrors” (again, I have no idea what they mean by this, as it's an odd statement that doesn't make too much sense).

New Lord of Change is the tallest of the new Greater Daemons (not counting the wings). Apparently less hunched than before, and has a “fishy looking” option.

Slaanesh

New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)

Plastic Fiends were in the works. Current status unknown.

New Keeper of Secrets is a whole new design, shirking the old design and the FW one for something different, but still “very Slanneshi”.

Nurgle

New Greater Daemon Model (Resin Conversion Pack to make Named Greater Daemons)

Large Base Palanquin, Nurglings, Daemon Prince Base, Fat Plague Bearer (I'm not sure what this one means, this is the actual sentence from the rumour)

New Ku'gath design?

No Blight Drone

Some kind of large Nurgle flies being ridden by Plaguebearers

New Great Unclean One reportidly the best of the new Greater Daemon options (“absolutely rot, in a good way”)

Other

Rumours of a Chaos piece of terrain, no word on if it made it past the idea stage or if it's just wishlisting.

No word of other Exalted Chariot options at this time

All models are designed for both Fantasy and 40k now

Only Characters getting models are the ones who haven't gotten one yet

Daemons update will not be a huge overhaul to the books, mostly an addition of new models (I'm guessing some rules changes, points costs and some statlines will get tweaked a bit too if the WD update is anything to go by)

New Greater Daemons looked bigger than the old ones, might be moving to a larger base size

Greater Daemons might be wave releases instead of when the book drops.

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[Плюш]

И когда такое счастье обещают?

[Грустный Динозаврик Хаоса]

И когда такое счастье обещают?

Projected Release: Dual Release in Feb

PS вообще достаточно забавно - уже второй кодекс про который появляется инфа что "его пишет Вард" а на самом деле его пишет кто-то другой

специально набрасывают они там чтоли ? :)

Изменено 2 января, 2013 пользователем Грустный Динозаврик Хаоса

[SteelSerpent]

Projected Release: Dual Release in Feb

Очень хотелось бы верить, но маловероятно, кмк. Слишком уж маленький промежуток времени между выходами новых кодексов. ДА выходят в январе, хотя их обещали в ноябре, через месяц после ХСМ. Так что и тут может случиться так же и для реальной даты нужно накинуть месяца 2-3.

[Анчар]

А это именно кодекс? Я понимаю, что для обновления как например летом крупновато , но всё же.

[Грустный Динозаврик Хаоса]

via Darnok over on Warseer

Releases as rumoured: Greater Daemons in plastic (maybe only 2, maybe 4),Nurgle Flies ridden by Plaguebearers, a Khorne chariot/cannon double-kit, plus stuff. That's not bad, given that Daemons had a wave last summer. Of course there will be the usual mix of characters in plastic and Finecast. So what more do you really want?

wait WAT ?!?!?!?!

Изменено 3 января, 2013 пользователем Грустный Динозаврик Хаоса

[ANF]

келли. ахаха. прекрати.

хотя чем им не нравятся жабьи ездоки от форджи?

а так страшно за демонов хоть и интересно.

а так чую тысячи их - тысячи покемонов из ада 80-х.

зная жадных детей из гв логично что апдейт позволил с запасом слить и окупить новых и старых скримеров и флеймеров. теперь они станут дном - покупайте все с нуля если хочется ногебать.

мейк маней маней. мейк маней маней. все дела

чем славен этот веток из квадратного дна? а то если неплох то можно окончательно слить армию-уродца из дыроконов и покемонов (хоть и нагибает но от хсм там мало чего) в утиль обратно на полку

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[Слабоумный ниндзя]

wait WAT ?!?!?!?!

"Все ок :)"

[4x_Runa]

It is believed to be a Q1 release. There is conflicting chatter as to whether the Codex is coming as well, or whether it is a miniatures-only wave with White Dwarf rules like we say in Q4-12.

Miniatures:

BloodThirster

Great Unclean One,

New Nurgle "jetbikes" - Described as GIANT FLIES with Plaguebearer Riders!!!

Khornate Chariot with dual-build options.

-Option 1: Transport (holds a big squad of daemons, opened top)

-Option 2: Cannon Variant (autocannon equivalent blast template, medium range)

Мухи и плаги очень крутая фишка, во всяком случае всякие кадавры демонам к лицу. Больше лавкрафтащины, гротеска и сюра.

[Гость Lеgend]

"Все ок"

"Ещё вот такие няши были"

[StrangeXellos]

Тащемта, это онеж блайтдроны, просто на них довесили пушки и пропеллеры до кучи.

[Жарптица]

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/01/40k...nbound.html?m=1

Look for dual 40K/WFB Chaos Daemons army book-codexes in Feb/March.

They should be in the March White Dwarf, and hit the street end of February

New Models (cut this list into two equal sized waves - one with the codex, one following up a quarter later). 

- All four Greater Daemon plastic kits with named options

- Plastic Furies, dual-option kit with "Flesh Terrors"

- Plastic Khorne Chariot, herald, dual kit with a cannon, pulled by Bloodcrushers

- Plastic Tzeentch Chariot, herald, dual kit with "flame-beast" pulled by screamers, ( 40k: a Skimmer)

- Plastic Nurgle Palanquin, (chariot), carried by Nurglings, (combines with Nurgle GD kit for named character model - Ku'gath)

- Nurgle Plague-flies jetbikes/monsterous cavalry (40K-Elites, WFB-Rares)

- New Daemon-engine, bipedal with atypical porportions, uses ectoplasmic weaponry of CSMs, has numerous options for CC or Ranged loadout. (40K- Heavy, WFB-Special)

- New Daemon flying MC. (40K-Fast Attack-flyer, WFB-Rare)

Rules

- Daemon Princes with Wings will move slots in 40K.

- Look for across the board points increases in the codex/army book.

Армибук и кодекс демонов релизится в феврале-марте

Новые модели:

Все грейтеры получат пластиковые наборы

Новые фурии и дуалкит фурии-флэш терроры

Пластиковая чариотка кхорна, дуалкит с пушкой

Пластиковая чариотка тзынча, дуалкит с флеймер монстром

Пластиковый паланкин нургла

Пластиковый набор нурглитских ездунов на мухах (джетбайки)

Пластиковый монстр, двуногий с кучей хтх опций или с эктоплазменным оружием

Новый крылатый монстр

ДП с крыльями будет менять слот

Общее удорожание в очках

[Rommi]

BoLS

Overview and Schedule

The Chaos Daemons release slot as last time around is a dual system release, updating the repsective armies for both Warhammer 40,000, and Warhammer Fantasy. There are a large number of models to be released as well as both books, so look for it to get broken up into 2 waves at least - with the lower possibility of 3 waves.

Look for the initial wave next month, and follow up waves a quarter later. That would put the first wave in March and the followup in June. Note however that Games Workshop has this thing for releasing Daemons in August - so that second wave might slide a little.

In any case, onto the waves themselves:

Wave 1

BloodThirster/Skarbrand (plastic)

Great Unclean One (plastic)

Chariot of Khorne/Herald of Khorne/Khorne Cannonade (anyone remember the old epic Doom Blaster)

Plague Flies of Nurgle

Palanquin of Nurgle/KuGath upgrade/Herald of Nurgle

Fiend of Slaanesh

There is also word of a named Daemon Prince and several smaller finecast models as well.

This round of rumors is regarding the Second Wave, penciled in for June. Note however that Games Workshop has this thing for releasing Daemons in August - so that second wave might slide a little.

In any case, onto the waves themselves:

Wave 2

Keeper of Secrets/(Named GD of Slaanesh)

Lord of Change/Fateweaver

Furies/(Chaos ground daemons...I've heard this alternate kit unit has an "unstable" rules granting them an extra save, a 12" teleport, and a chance to lose models (determined randomly).

Hounds of Khorne

An all new Tzeentch Flyer... (NOT the Heldrake)

Chariot of Tzeentch/ Flame cannon alt kit)

[4x_Runa]

Now that everyone has ordered their redundant Death from the Skies it is time to move on to the next "impeding" release: Deamons. I am one to think that they aren't coming out just yet, but maybe with the April release. With rules rumors being hard to come by let us look at some obvious ones right in front us and others not so much.

As most people realize Daemons will lose both Fearless and Eternal Warrior replaced with 5+ invulnerable and Fear. Eternal Warrior never really made sense in the grand scheme of things anyway because wouldn't Force Weapons be perfect to "banish" Daemons back to the War? As for Fearless, see a return of "instability" which is going to be close to 5th edition Fearless.

As I stated in a previous rumor GW is hell-bent on having each army hate something. Daemons are no different they just seem to hate themselves now.

Taking a look at the Chaos Space Marine and Warriors of Chaos books you can see where this is going. Each Chaos God units will hate a certain other god. This leads into the next rules change right in front of us. Depending on the Daemon's God it will determine the special abilities they get.

Khorne: Furious Charge

Slaanesh: Rending, Run bonus, Fleet

Tzeentch: Re-roll 1s for saves

Nurgle: Slow & Purposeful, Shrouded

Other changes that will surely happen...

Flamers and Screamers are getting nerfed, but the real big change will be Deamons having standard Deployment rules: no more Daemonic Assault.

The big reason Deamons were fast tracked has to do with Alessio Cavatore. Chatting with a few inside GW there has been an everything Alessio purge, and Daemons are the last big chunk of Alessio material left. Yeah, I know it sounds kinda petty, but it was a major impetus to get Daemons done. Daemons will still primarily be an assault based army, but that is the nature of the models having to be used both for Fantasy and 40k. That means Daemons will rely on speed to get across the board. Expect Chariots, warp portals, beasts, cavalry, jump troops to help with all this. Then there is cover saves Nurgle is the first piece of the puzzle, but just like certain Dark Angel things expect a "Clouds of Flies" to provide bonuses to cover saves all around. Chaos Space Marines and Deamons ICs will be able to join each other as long as their gods match up.

Things have been spares from all rumor mongers, but a lot has to do with GW "renewed" lock down; translated GW rumor monger wack'a'mole.

Another good thing to understand is GW is moving quicker with releases than ever before. They had almost an entire year to create a backlog on sculpting and rules. To give you an example, the Chaos Space Marine codex was done in December of 2011. I am not talking about just the rules, but everything the photography, the layout, everything! Dark Angels same thing, done in March 2011. That means Daemons have been done since June and Tau and Eldar compelete or almost complete.

What I am getting at is this is going to be an epic year for releases, with only the Chapterhouse lawsuit and a new CEO possibly getting in the way.

Finally, I have a public service announcement from the dev team, they really want rules questions, so everyone keep on sending in any rules quandaries to

Gamefaqs@gwplc.com

The design team has made updating FAQs a priority, which has been a marked and great change from years past.

[Estienne]

Пардон я туплю, а это книжка деманы ФБ или 40к? не догадываюь по контексту что 40к, а ФБ что?

[4x_Runa]

40k, тейсти тейст.

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[7ers]

Что тут 'тейст'? Пока можно лишь поныть по поводу инстабилити, отсутствию етернала и обычной расстановке. Печаль-тоска. Посмотрим конечно.

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Почему не тау, бт, едьдары и только после этого демоны? Нынешний павер вполне устраивает :D Бизнес такой бизнес.