The scandal around the UA mod on ModDB and Relicnews. Explanation of reasons.

[GrOrc]

NB! Убедительная просьба модераторам Warforge не удалять этот странный топик на английском языке. Он создан для объяснения причин одного скандала в DoW Community для международной общественности. Стартер темы на английском, чтобы его могли понять забугорные читатели. В самой теме по русски конечно же писать не возбраняется.

Here you will find the complete truth about the scandal around UA mod on Relicnews and ModDB. And here you will find a reason why this scandal began. Also you will find a way how this scandal should be completed.

Krronus = Cylarne as we see now. He is artistic liar. Here you can see some of old rude mails from this dual boy to me. See under spoilers below with my comments. This is the true face of Cylarne=Krronus. He is a great master of public tearful dramas. And a very rude boy, as his private messages have shown. And here you'll see the real history of the origin of the UA mod.

Once GrOrc received the E-mail.

"First mail from Krronus to GrOrc"

Hello GrOrc.

I am Krronus, the developer of the Apocalypse mods. I just want to say that your ideas are very very alike compared to mine. I have no idea if your ideas are coming from my mod, but if they are, please credit me please. I never heard of this Titanium mod until now and all I can say is, please don't make this mod for Soulstorm. I admit, your mod is better but you give me sad hope in modding more Apocalypse mods if you make an exact duplicate for Soulstorm. My mod is all about yours, everything from all new units to the campaign structures and abilities. The camera, the tech trees and everything are included within version 1.59 of the Apocalypse and your mod includes the same only better because of the amounts of new units and everything you made. But if I can up the amounts of new units, research and upgrades which I'm doing now, then we can be in a good competition. I also ask for your permission in the use of your mod for Apocalypse. If you accept then I thank you. Just pl! ease don't make the Apocalypse mods pointless to mod.

It's funny, isn't it? :) Titanium Wars Mod (TWM) is much older than Ultimate Apocalypse mod (UA mod) but he boldly talk to me that I steal this ideas. However Krronus=Cylarne had already used my content from TWM in that time as I see now... Blatant arrogance and cynicism. And he forbid TWM to be developed under the SS. No comments for this rudeness...

I told him by E-mail, indicating his mistakes. But Krronus was spam in my topic on the Relicnews forum trying to say that GrOrc on his team. Spam has been stopped and he was ashamed.

Later he appeared in my topic as Cylarne. Once again, he behaved arrogantly. I replied him with some easy irritation because I felt that this is Krronus viewpoint. Cylarne sent me rude PM about this.

"First mail from Cylarne"

Keep working on the Dark Crusade

...because if TWM will go to Soulstorm than some other mods will go to dustbin.

it's not a bad mod really

Maybe you wanted to say: "TWM is best quality Mod with difficult to achieve quality for many other mod teams." TWM has many unique features which have no other DoW mods.

Um, no.

GrOrc, your mod is good, full of some excitement, but if you want a true full scale W40k war, it's not your mod. You pretty much have no idea at all what I'm capable of oh and plus my team. Have you seen our thread for example? The number of views, the number of replies, oh and guess what... the thread is newer.

Oh and do you know how many times I heard the word "best mod I ever played" over and over, and over, and over again on the thread, MODDB and in my mailbox full of pms? It gets annoying now, lol and you have no idea what a true mod is capable of. It is about PERFECTION... and what only you will achieve is "hey top this" when we can top anything you will ever have. So cut the crap like you showed me on comment #338.

Let's face it GrOrc, if you REALLY want to get into Soulstorm, the Ultimate Apocalypse mod Team is your future. I just don't understand why you can't see that? We OBVIOUSLY have the better mod. And there is no way in heck that you will top the Apocalypse mods. Nope. Am I wrong? I bet you, you don't have the guts to post a thread saying "which mod is better?" You can't anyways because of forum rules, but overall, it is opinion that will defeat you in your old mod of failure.

So GrOrc I am just warming up. I can go like this ALL DAY if I want. You think you can, but you just don't have the right friends either to back your opinion up.

Oh and if you continue to harass me with your puny words, I'll actually start to care about modding, instead of taking breaks after breaks, playing the mod of [черт] AWESOME and do school stuff. And I'll prove to you EASILY what a true modder really is.

So do me a favor and AT LEAST continue Dark Crusade. You earn that. Or join us and together, we'll make the best mod ever and pretty much dominate DOW I over FOK even.

Waiting for your counter attack, but I hope you reconsider.

Sincerely,

Your god

Very arrogant mail. Arrogance and disrespect to me and my work is obvious.

Later I downloaded UA mod and looked on content. I saw 101 (!) my ready made WHE-files (without looking at so many other things taken from TWM). This was 50% of the total number of WHE-files in that old version of the UA mod. Then I demanded from UA team the true credits for TWM.

"About Cylarne's manner of communication"

Firstly, you MUST add this string in your credits:

Apocalypse mod uses a lot of ready-made files (especially OE-code) and gameplay ideas from Titanium Wars Mod. Thanks to GrOrc.

Secondly, this string must be put immediately after FoK string.

Otherwise I will have to ask the moderators to freeze the links to the files of your mod as long as you do not delete my files from it.

Say: "Thank you, GrOrc" that I did not demand from you public apology. You really use a lot of my work and you must credit me properly. This is true. I am waiting your true good reaction.

You can suck being hugely credited under FOK. The only credit I'm giving you is what you already got. You are so stubborn and paranoid that you think you are the best in what you do. You're wrong. I thank you for improving the FOK models by fixing them. :) You did a fine job at that.

You are either credited as is or you are not credited at all. It's your choice. If you choose not to be credited at all, ALL of your material will be removed at once. You will have no permission to use any of our material then.

However, if you accept to be credited as is, you can use our material as you please, except the Doomsday Monolith/Phalanx, Aeonic Orb and all other titans we release to the crowd.

Oh and perhaps an apology will do with that. You say: "I'm sorry Cylarne for coming into your thread and starting a huge argument. I'm also sorry that I dissed your mod." <-- Perhaps you can say that to the public. :) THEN I'll say this...

"Thank you, GrOrc"

So, your choice. Be credited or not.

I had to threaten him that I will publish this letter on his forum, so everyone will see the true manner of his communication. In addition, I'll ask the moderators, so they froze out the links to the files of his mod, until he removes from his mod my content because I forbid him to use my experience in virtue of the fact that he definitely does not respect my work. He seemed to have changed his mind and at first I was in their credits almost exactly as I required. But then he he began again to drive the conflict. He cut the credits lines of my mod and began to bomb me by annoying and arrogant mails.

"The spam blizzard."

Except one problem, where's your apology?

One other thing, the gameplay ideas did NOT come from you. It was Corncobman's code converted into my own. The needed parts I needed from your models were only the hardpoints, weapons, and the ui texts, that is it besides your Leman Russ variants and "Vibro and Shadow Reaver." Saying that the ideas and developed game play came from you is false and having you credited for that is not good will, it is false crediting and I demand an explanation for that. If you still think so then, you are actually using my gameplay stats. Oh yeah, I've seen your mod, so fricking similar. It's true GrOrc, don't deny it.

You are wrong saying gameplay ideas came from you, period. Credited or not, at least you know the truth.

We are still concluded, yep.

Heh. Corncob learn and use my mod well so much time too. And if you or anybody use my fixed models with my unique OE-code then he forced to use some parts of my AE-code. Titanium Wars Mod has long existed and it influenced for many of other mods. You should examine this issue more thoroughly before something to say. Your mod was influenced by the TWM directly (you took a lot of ready-made stuff) and through other mods (other modders use TWM parts too and use the experience from studying of this mod) as I see it. You talk with old modder and old man now. Remember about that.

And yet there is no apology. Maybe I was wrong, maybe you are a jerk after all.

What kind of apology you say? I did not offend you. You insulted me, but I do not even demanded an apology from you. By the way, you're still not apologized for your rude mails. And now you're talking about apologies from my side. Do you want to develop a conflict again? Don't bother me, please. I am not a conflict person but do not test my patience. I am 41 years old. I do not have to apologize to the rough boys. Have conscience.

Now the boy wanted me to apologize for what it is not clear. What can we say about this? I spoke to him and made him clear that his mod is the usual unremarkable combiner. Cylarne took my Titanium Wars ready content and ideas for his mod, he made Soulstorm version, and fancied himself as a hero of DoW modding. And, as you'll see below, it is not even ashamed to admit it before me.

Continued in the next post...

Изменено 13 марта, 2012 пользователем GrOrc

[GrOrc]

...continuation...

And then the moment of truth came... Spoiler's name is original subject from Cylarne.

"This Is The Final Straw, It's Time To Tell You A Strory"

What kind of apology you say? I did not offend you. You insulted me, but I do not even demanded an apology from you. By the way, you're still not apologized for your rude mails. And now you're talking about apologies from my side. Do you want to develop a conflict again? I am not a conflict person but do not test my patience. I am 41 years old. I do not have to apologize to the rough boys. Have conscience.

What apology you say? What apology?! Are you blind?! It is right in front of you the whole entire time, but you don't see it do you, Grumbling Orc? Let me tell you a bit of a strory, GrOrc.

The day Krronus (The developer of the Apocalypse mod) left to go to the military, I was a bit bumbed and overwhelmed. Is the Apocalypse mod done for? He sent me his final words in an e-mail, I couldn't remember what he said, but I know this for a fact...

Finish the Apocalypse mod for me, Thomas. I am gone now, perhaps permanently, but I want you to know that the mod must not die.

Blah blah blah, blurry it is I remember...

GrOrc, his mod is so very similar and so awesome, makes my mod look crappy, seriously. So many more units, I became jealous, obtain all of that for our mod.

Something like that. And you know what, I obeyed. Your mod was so keen and gameplay was so very interesting in every simple possibility, I stopped adding in new units from Corncobman's mod, and I switched to yours because your mod inspired me. The titans, the epic battles, it was legendary. And so two months later, I have completed mod version 1.6 of the Apocalypse mod. This mod made me a hero, and it was the best that everyone ever seen. Click here for more info. Basically all I did was use your models, combined it with Corncobman's own code, applied to the mod the Apocalypse qualities, tested for hours, made the code perfect, fit everything together, make the ai myself, and come up with an evil plan to not release the Necrons.

Weeks later version 1.61 came out, and I have developed the first expansion which involves no limits to everything. With it, I spent days of code and SCAR work on the mod and fixed most bugs that could possibly occur. I reworked the weapon system to my own, and there you have it, I reworked every single .rgd file to my own while following Krronus's orders. Cosmocrat's new goodies was coded all by me and by then, page ... happened. Fans were spamming at me pms like crazy, "Thank you for finishing the Apocalypse mod, this is the best mod ever! You are a hero!" It was so crazy, 15 people I believe. And this whole time, I was thinking about you, joining our mod and make the mod more awesome than it already is. Together, I thought, we would be magnificent!

I pmed you. I said thank you and stuff, I wanted you to join our team, but the words I got from you are...

I heard your mod is an ordinary combiner mod. TWM already has a well developed fan base system. It is well known. Your mod is ordinary, you take material from others. Your mod has no interest to me. Those who work OE, AE, SCAR, ai, and 2d work are welcome here in the Grumbling Orc Great Hall. ;)

Pissed me off. I was your fan, and you sir have reworked the system of trust and reputation. I hated you. Days later I forgot about you, saying, "Who needs GrOrc? We got the better mod right?" After that, I cared less about the real world and started modding the hell out of the Apocalypse mod, all the way to 1.62. 1.62 was the best of the best of the Apocalypse mods, featuring all new units which you haven't seen and reworked OE by ME. I have gone from ordinary coder to OE coder, ai expert and SCAR coder, and I wanted to prove you wrong. The Apocalypse mod was NEVER an ordinary combiner mod. Sure we took material from others, but we made things you haven't and EVERYTHING was reworked by especially Cosmocrat and me. But I did mostly coding.

Months later, you released version .10 of TWM and I wanted to try it out. It was kick ass, made me jealous for some parts, but you had to edit your post and say...

...because if TWM will go to Soulstorm than some other mods will go to dustbin.

Maybe you wanted to say: "TWM is best quality Mod with difficult to achieve quality for many other mod teams." TWM has many unique features which have no other DoW mods.

You freeking no good mod strut. It is you who started this entire conflict, not me! It is you who started the whole flame wars, not me! You are stubborn and you are a prick! Crediting you under FOK was ok for me, but gameplay ideas, from you?! You made things this much worse and you sir are my nemesis! I gave you my apology and now I demand yours, jerk! I have finally made up my mind, IF no apology is given, you won't use ANY of our material and throughout what you do, if you extract ANYTHING from my mod, you in my terms will be a thief. But that's not it!

Consider another conflict rising. I don't give a damn if you like conflicts or not. The mod permissions conflict is over, but now sir this is personal and if I do not get that apology soon, I will rip your head off! Oh and I mind you, you will apologize to Cosmocrat too. Same story for him only more focused towards his work.

I am waiting for your good will answer.

No comments. Just see my answer.

"My answer"

The little boy. Moderate your passion. Your teenage problems, your conceit, and your jealousy is not my concern. I'll tell you why I said some words in my topic. Some time ago Krronus sent me the following letter:

Hello GrOrc.

I am Krronus, the developer of the Apocalypse mods. I just want to say that your ideas are very very alike compared to mine. I have no idea if your ideas are coming from my mod, but if they are, please credit me please. I never heard of this Titanium mod until now and all I can say is, please don't make this mod for Soulstorm. I admit, your mod is better but you give me sad hope in modding more Apocalypse mods if you make an exact duplicate for Soulstorm. My mod is all about yours, everything from all new units to the campaign structures and abilities. The camera, the tech trees and everything are included within version 1.59 of the Apocalypse and your mod includes the same only better because of the amounts of new units and everything you made. But if I can up the amounts of new units, research and upgrades which I'm doing now, then we can be in a good competition. I also ask for your permission in the use of your mod for Apocalypse. If you accept then I thank you. Just pl! ease don't make the Apocalypse mods pointless to mod.

This boy had the audacity to tell me that I stole his idea, although my mod obviously much older and it has long and good history. And he had the audacity to tell me that I must not create Soulstorm version of Titanium Wars Mod. He and you are afraid of my high quality Mod. It's your problem, not mine. You take many-many my ready-made files from my Mod as I see now. You are using my huge hardwork, and at the same time you behaves disrespectfully towards me. Have a conscience.

You wrote in my thread:

Keep working on the Dark Crusade

You said like Krronus. So I replied:

...because if TWM will go to Soulstorm than some other mods will go to dustbin.

I hinted at the obvious your fear of my Mod and your rejection of my work, but I did not know how this is true as I see now. Now I see that it is more than really true. You wrote next:

it's not a bad mod really

You said "not bad". That's all what you could say about my huge hardwork. This is obviously disrespectful words. So I replied:

Maybe you wanted to say: "TWM is best quality Mod with difficult to achieve quality for many other mod teams." TWM has many unique features which have no other DoW mods.

...and it is really true.

Now you say that I must apologize. Must I? Heh!. What are you offended? I just said that your mod is a ordinary combiner mod. And this is true. The truth can not be offended. Your mod is a ordinary combiner mod, because it combines many models of many other mods, and you combine them with my own huge work on models of Relic and DoW Community (OE-code especially and 3D-level sometimes).

I see you do not want to recognize the influence of my Titanium Wars Mod on many other mods and your mod personally. I see you want to remove the reference to my Mod from your mod credits. If you do not respect my work, you should not use it. Delete all my files from your mod immediately. It will cost you a lot of work. ;) Until you has not do it, you should remove the link to download your mod.

If you do not want these consequences, then you must behave civilized. You must mention my work in your credits properly. You must respect my work. Leave your jealousy and negative emotions to himself. They are not interested for me. Restore true string about my Mod in your credits. And do not bother me with your annoying and disrespectful mails. Now you must apologize to me for your many harsh words in many your messages, for bothering me, and wasting my time.

Excuse me all for so long story of this old wacky events...

Recently I just demand from UA team the true credits on ModDB for all used mods. The all reasons in my posts in UA topic. Look on this link:

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?254354

This is ordinary just demand. This is a natural requirement for any mod of International DoW Community. What we saw then? Lies and scandal on the part of Cylarne=Krronus again. And rude credits lines about me and TWM:

"New UA "credits lines""

- Corsix's Mod Studio - Mostly thanked for making Apocalypse possible.

- Firestorm Over Kronus (FOK) - For pretty much everything, I mean seriously, many hugs and kisses from me.

- Tyranid Mod Team - For their permissions in creating XP2, involving the Tyranids.

- Daemonhunters - For their permissions in the making of XP2, involving the Daemonhunters.

- Thudmeizer - For a lot of things in our mod, especially ai scripts and tons of help. Corrected major SCAR errors with the addition of updating the ai to a current date and created the Daemons race especially, which is HUGE. - AI master, friend.

- Corncobman - For A LOT of FOK's material from Soulstorm, referenced from his mod and very helpful.

- Steel Legion Team (For their fxs and Stormblade)

- Winterdyne - For the use of the Warhound Titan, also very kindly gave us permission himself.

- Catwell - For the Great Unclean One playable in version 1.62+.

- MonkeyXXL - For awesome new textures, OE code, new models, awesome screenies and making the XV9 Hazard Suit. Well missed x team member.

- Andrei - For the tyranid turret and upcoming new units for Apocalypse mod post 1.62.5 + Brass Scorpion.

- Malarz Batonu (Universum Mod) - For many pretty cool features useable for the Apocalypse mods.

- Hanov - For his work on mod version 1.62.535+ while I finish the Grand Release.

- Melooo - For the use of his awesome POK material.

- Gerberman's mod. - For any of the fx's within our mod.

- IronWarrior42 - For his code of clever, oh and lots of help. It is great to have him at my assistance.

- DOWPro Team - For their good fxes, icons and new units.

- Jaylo - For the keen Heroes win condition.

- Ravenmorpheus - For the wargear useable for all commanders within the mod.

- Cuttershane - for his win conditions.

- Evil Isador - For the Switched reality SCAR.

- Zany Reaper - For high quality good models used in the Apocalypse mod.

- Uber Painter Mod (1.1) - For new Paint scheme templates.

- Craftworld mod by ShinGouki - For special thanks one in all for the Eldar.

- Echo - For new units in the version 1.7 mod.

- Titanium Wars Mod (GrOrc): Apocalypse mod used many ready-made files (especially OE-code) from Titanium Wars Mod. Thanks to GrOrc. GrOrc also helped out the Apocalypse Mod with great quality and where quality goes, GrOrc goes, and thanks GrOrc for improving the Ultimate Apocalypse Mod's OE for all the way. But GrOrc now accuses the Apocalypse Mod for stealing his work and many others for no good reason and constantly harasses this mod with lies and turning everyone against this mod for like a crusade to prove him right. GrOrc's work is good, but he definitely made his point clear that he called us a thief. Well, GrOrc you are credited and respected. You are now credited at the bottom which used to be at the highest point possible to grant your approval, but obviously you like to just charge at us with hate so you are now at the bottom, ok? This is to prove to you that we respect other people's work, especially FOK, tremendously. And once you change your mind and stop this, credits will be given back to you again below FOK as promised. Thank you for reading this long credit. To GrOrc!

As we can see, nothing has changed until now. I have long endured it all in the past. Now I have to take a hard position and force Cylarne=Krronus to remove my TWM content right now from his UA mod.

UA topic on Relicnews is an example of dirty and mendacious PR. It is obvious to any thinking person. However many people are simply deceived by Cylarne=Krronus and they do not understand what I mean. Sadly, the other people are quite busy or don't mind about these things. Many of the Cylarne's posts in the UA topic is just a lie and dirty PR. I saw how he lied that he was going to military service. Recently we all saw the "death" of a member of the UA team. Now Cylarne lied again. He write very long messages in the "ill state". Even with "broken fingers". However it does not prevent him from writing messages in full screen size. Miracles, isn't it? ;) This is things which was totally ignored by anyone as he caused some situational drama. He is a liar. This is obvious for many thinking people...

And now I'm not sure that he really has all the necessary permits from all mod team leaders for used content by UA team. Echo (Warsmith) informed me that he was not allowed to use the content of his private mode (Dark Prophecy) for the UA team. However Cylarne=Krronus have stolen this content by pirated ways, and even he cynically placed the line about Echo in their credits (see above).

People are deceived. Now we can see scandal in UA page on ModDB.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/ultimate-apocalypse-mod

People do not understand the situation. UA fans think that their beloved mod attacked by spammers. This in not true as we see above. In fact, some members of the UA team and some of their fans have voted against the TBM in the pages of ModDB.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/titanium-wars-mod-ss

http://www.moddb.com/mods/titanium-wars-mod

This is the real spam. TWM players does not have suffered such injustice and began furiously writing on the page UA mod. Cylarne=Krronus may be pleased with the scandal. He loves scandals. The scandal is his favorite PR. Now scandal gave UA mod more than 28,000 visits per day. It's just a dirty PR.

How can we resolve this situation?

I ask the moderators of Relicnews forum and ModDB admins to resolve this situation a soon as possible. I just wish to remove all my TWM content from UA mod and to ignore the UA team in the future. Echo wants the same thing. Perhaps there are modders who want it.

This is a list of files (see below) with my signature inside that I have found in the UA mod version 1.62.59. This 68 files must be removed from UA mod. UA team must replace them by their original versions from corresponding mods and/or authors files. Perhaps I will find something else later. My signature is Alexander (this is my real name). It can be easily found in WHE and WHM files by any file manager program (Far or Total Commander for example). Any one can easily see it independently. This signature is automatically inserted by DoW modding tools.

"List of TWM files in UA mod. They must be removed from UA mod."

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\projectiles\guogob_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\projectiles\guogob_codex.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\aspiring_sorcerer.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\bezerker_champion.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\chaos_dreadnought.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\chaos_screamer_of_tzeentch.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\defiler_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\guo_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\guo_codex.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\chaos\troops\raptor_champion_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\structures\eldar_enhanced_webway.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\structures\eldar_enhanced_webway.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\falcon_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\fire_prism_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\grav_platform_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\striking_scorpion.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\support_platform.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\vyper_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\war_walker_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\war_walker_codex.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\eldar\troops\wave_serpent.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\baneblade_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\basilisk_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\griffon_mortar.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\guardsmen_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\ig_conscript.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\ig_medic.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\kasrkin_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\leman_russ_main_battletank.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\leman_russ_main_battletank.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\master_ordnance.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\sentinel_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\shadowsword_titanicus.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\special_weapons_team.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\stormblade_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\stormblade_codex.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\stormtrooper_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\imperial_guard\troops\support_sentinel.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\flayed_one.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\necron_deceiver.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\necron_destroyer.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\necron_heavy_destroyer.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\night_bringer.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\scarab.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\Necrons\troops\wraith.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\ard_boyz.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\ard_nob.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\battle_wagon.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\battlefortress.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\battlefortress.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\deff_dread.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\deff_dread.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\orks\troops\kustim_stompa.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\apothecary_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\banner_bearer.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\damocles.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\damocles.whm

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\land_raider_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\land_raider_crusader.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\land_speeder_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\librarian_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\predator_codex.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\space_marine_vanguard.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\space_marines\troops\vindicator.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\tau\structures\tau_listening_post.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\tau\structures\tau_listening_post_sp.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\tau\troops\sniper_drone.whe

Dawn of War Soulstorm\U_Apocalypse\data\art\ebps\races\tau\troops\xv25_stealth_suit.whe

Echo (Warsmith) will speak about his stolen content independently.

At finally. Now, many people accuse me as hater and spammer. This is the fate of any person who fights for the truth. Any fighter for the truth is forced to endure the unjust abuse. However any one (who read this long story) can see that GrOrc is not a spammer and hater. GrOrc is old modder. GrOrc is very busy man and he no time for hate or spam. GrOrc just attacked by rude little boy. GrOrc can not hate so unhappy boy. GrOrc just want stop his spam and rudeness once and for all.

UA mod is not interest for me really. This is just ordinary combiner mod. For example, Russian DoW Community have many private DoW mods like UA mod (even bigger and more interesting). I respect some interesting modeling work from Cosmocrat and Demetrius. However UA mod have so little own content. Most content was taken from other mods. Perhaps without proper permission from other modders as we see now. Now I do not allow to use my content for UA team. (Echo too.) I'm tired of inappropriate and rude behavior of the UA team leader. I hope that the DoW Community will treat with understanding the situation...

Изменено 13 марта, 2012 пользователем GrOrc

[Амфицион]

Убедительная просьба администрации удалить\перенести это тсттанный топик на английском:

-во первых он нарушает правила форума

-во вторых, я думаю что выражу общее мнение что наблюдать эту исповедь интеренетного воителя не доставляет особой радости - почти как репо-тема, только в профиль.

Admins, pls (re)move this "confession".

[Галахад]

Поддерживаю. Место дова- в разделе дова, кому надо и там найдут.

[The Emperor]

СКАНДАЛЫ.ИНТРИГИ.РАССЛЕДОВАНИЯ.

ТОЛЬКО НА ФАРФОРДЖЕ!!!

ТОЛЬКО У НАС!!!.

[GrOrc]

Тема не нарушает правила Оффтопикз. А в разделе по модификациям DoW она как раз оффтопик. Поэтому здесь в Оффтопикз эта тема и появилась. Кому она мешает? А тема поможет нашим парням из раздела DioW модификаций разобраться в этом скандальчике с забугорными парнями. Прошу проявить понимание и терпимость к своим братьям в телогрейках. Кому не интересно -- просто не читайте. Тут действительно для людей далеких от DoW моддинга мало что интересно...

Изменено 2 марта, 2012 пользователем GrOrc

[Золушка в 24/7]

Мне лениво делать копировать вставить(ммммммм вставить) в гугл переводчик, а вникать так времени жалко, в двух словах в чем сыр бор?

Хотя осуждаю.

[jONES]

ГрОрк поправься, нашим парням из ДОВ раздела как раз весь этот трэш ничем не поможет, все и так знают эту историю.

Мне лениво делать копировать вставить(ммммммм вставить) в гугл переводчик, а вникать так времени жалко, в двух словах в чем сыр бор?

Хотя осуждаю.

Эта тема как раз таки создана для зарубежных моддеров, т.к. она обличает (или должна по замыслу) на их родном буржуйском языке ВОРОВСТВО контента из нашего (русского) мода - ихними нерусскими . Нерусские украли, а теперь ещё и хамят там. Больше ГрОрку негде было разместить всё это ...:rolleyes: , ото всюду удаляют. Только Варфордж пока терпит. Вот и весь сказ :)

Изменено 2 марта, 2012 пользователем jONES

[Юстаc]

Мнение 146 % формчан, я считаю

http://forums.warforge.ru/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=449126

И до сих пор не потерявшее актуальность, я замечу

[Импульс]

Ничего я сейчас буржуев минусами закапываю на моддб,ещё пару сообщений напишу на тему их мода :image191:

[Амфицион]

Эм если это для каких-то конретных длюдей написанно, то может быть им просто по почте надо было отправить? или создат ьсвой ресурс(на бесплатном хостинге) или бесплатную петицию или еще 100500 вариантов как это реализовать НЕ ЗАСОРЯЯ ФОРУМ(пусть даже оффтопиксы) куском бесполезной для его пользователей информации да еще и на не родном языке(см правила форума).

Ну и да: мочить унтерменшей, ага.

[GrOrc]

Я написал Кронусу такое письмо (см. ниже). Посмотрим выполнит ли он наши требования. В прошлом он вел себя приличнее, чем Циларне. Посмотрим на их толерантность.

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OK. Now I tell you my just demands, and you must realize them. Only then we can resolve the conflict.

1. See posts 2687, 2691, 2704, 5099 in UA topic on Relicnews forum. This is my demands. This is natural requrements for all DoW mods in the International DoW Community. Credit TWM properly in start message of UA topic on Relicnews and UA start page on ModDB. Directly in the next line after the FoK as the second most important Mod for creating UA mod. Add this line:

Titanium Wars Mod (GrOrc): Apocalypse mod uses a lot of ready-made files and gameplay ideas from Titanium Wars Mod. Thanks to GrOrc.

2. Of course, you must remove so many rude lines about me from your credits whitch we see now...

3. Do not orient UA fans to make bad votes for the TBM. Remove your bad votes from the TWM pages on ModDB. It's a dirty PR and unacceptable behavior. I hope you agree with this. Orient your fans to stop this spam madness. Orient your fans for correct behaviour to TWM. TWM content is free used in UA mod and it is very important for UA mod project. I think you agree with this too.

4. Do not use private content from private DoW mods. Ask Echo (Warsmith) about his permissions for his content from DP mod.

5. Do not behave so rudely in the future. Please observe the rules of civilized behavior.

This is all. If you'll fulfill all of that natural requirements, then I'll let you use my TWM-files free as before. My hardwork is free for all true DoW lovers.

[Trollevich]

Это что, он устроил тут свой штаб? Он же отсюда ведет свою деятельность. Координируется сам с собой, сам себе сообщает последние сводки с фронта, сам ведет наступление. Сюда вобще англоговорящие заходят из тех краев? Все труды на смарку? Это его не смущает? Неважно где бороться, главное борьба?

[GrOrc]

Это что, он устроил тут свой штаб? Он же отсюда ведет свою деятельность. Координируется сам с собой, сам себе сообщает последние сводки с фронта, сам ведет наступление. Сюда вобще англоговорящие заходят из тех краев? Все труды на смарку? Это его не смущает? Неважно где бороться, главное борьба?

Вообще-то если почитать темы в Оффтопикз разделе, то тут кое-где настоящая свалка шлака. Это вас не смущает. Но когда люди пришли сюда ненадолго выполнить важное для них дело это вас почему-то смущает. Не волнуйтесь вы так. Возможно конфликт скоро разрешится, если буржуи проявят толерантность к нам. И тогда эта тема умрет сама собой. Большая популярность ей не грозит.

Буржуи сюда заходят плохо как я сам вижу, хотя ссыли на этот форум с МодДБ есть. Ну и шут с ними. Кому надо, тот найдет этот топик. Наши парни похоже тоже не сразу врубились, что спам об этом скандале перенаправлен сюда. Этот топик как раз создан, чтобы не засорять основной форум. Это как раз и есть функция раздела Оффтопикз -- служить отдушиной для всяких нетематических вещей...

Изменено 2 марта, 2012 пользователем GrOrc

[Trollevich]

Ой вей. Пришел сюда свое важное дело делать, обозвал нас свалкой шлака и требует толерантности от каких то буржуев.

Ах да. Ищу жену. Вдруг сюда совершенно случайно заглянет любовь всей моей жизни.

Изменено 2 марта, 2012 пользователем Trollevich

[Geto]

Trollevich

FrostDog

Жир в голову бьет чтоли? Совсем исхудали, что незримые границы стали неощушать? ;)

Изменено 2 марта, 2012 пользователем Geto

[Gato Calavera]

Да ладно вам... Довер ведь не человек, чего там на него обижаться. Скоро придет добрый дядя модератор и все вычистит.

[GrOrc]

Да ладно вам... Довер ведь не человек, чего там на него обижаться. Скоро придет добрый дядя модератор и все вычистит.

Ну да согласен. Довер не человек. Как любой хороший компьютерный игрок, он сращивает себя с машиной, прям как техпристы в W40k. ;) На выходе мы имеем мощную машину убийства виртуальных монстров. :) Съесть пару-тройку виртуальных монстров за ужином -- это для него святое. ;) А если не виртуальных, то это еще вкуснее... ;)

А насчет топика вы все же зря волну гоните. Чем он вам так уж мешает? Висит себе и каши не просит. Вон даже жен тут стали искать. Вдруг этот топик даже счастье кому-то принесет. ;) А для ребят из раздела модификаций этот топик хороший опыт по утрясаниям конфликтов с забугорными камрадами. Если все выгорит, как мы хотим, то возможно узнаем кое-что новое для себя.

Я вот тут задумался. Если ModDB действительно плюет на Реликньюс в плане всяких правил, то может быть наши ребата будут размещать свои замечательные моды на ModDB не боясь, что с Реликньюса их прищучат всякие снобы. Если это действительно так, то это будет очень интересная инфа для нашего русского DoW моддящего сообщества. Аудитория их модов может расшириться за счет этого...

Изменено 2 марта, 2012 пользователем GrOrc

[Амфицион]

Человек с варкафтовым орком на аватаре, ты бы хоть перевод на русский выложил и пред историю. А то вывешивать на всеобщее обозрение деловую\приватную переписку на иностранном языке без перевода - это как-то странно. Добиться таким образом внимания и понимания со стороны местной общественности - трудно.

Если же вам хочется публичного заявления - сделайте сайт на том же народе за 5 минут и не засоряй форум - форум место общения по его тематике, а не площадь для манифестов.

Если подходить формально:

3.6. Размещать сообщения на транслите. Если по техническим причинам Вы не можете вводить текст на русском языке – воспользуйтесь формой сайта http://www.translit.ru для перевода транслита в кириллицу.

Если подходить не формально - просто не уместно, не соответствует тематике форума и раздела. Эти ваши "приватны польски размувки" не очень то относятся к вахе в целом к тому же не слишком то читаемы для большинства пользователей форума.

[Insane]

нашим парням из раздела DioW модификаций разобраться в этом скандальчике с забугорными парнями.

Ну ничего себе.

[GrOrc]

Если подходить не формально - просто не уместно, не соответствует тематике форума и раздела. Эти ваши "приватны польски размувки" не очень то относятся к вахе в целом к тому же не слишком то читаемы для большинства пользователей форума.

Если подходить формально, то вы находитесь в разделе Оффтопикз. Название вам ни о чем не говорит? И выше я уже объяснял:

Этот топик как раз создан, чтобы не засорять основной форум. Это как раз и есть функция раздела Оффтопикз -- служить отдушиной для всяких нетематических вещей...

С чем вы тут не согласны?

[Снова Иванов]

GrOrc А почему вы со всеми пререкаетесь?

Ну выполняете свою высокую миссию и выполняйте.

Параллельно.

Чё бугурты устраивать то?

Щаз тема рухнет в флудояму и её закроют. В том числе и вашими стараниями.

Крепитесь и возьмите себя в руки.

Удачи.

[Geto]

Он апает чтобы на 2 странциу не улетело :)

[GrOrc]

Щаз тема рухнет в флудояму и её закроют. В том числе и вашими стараниями.

Крепитесь и возьмите себя в руки.

Удачи.

Ну флудояма для Оффтопикз дело обычное. ;) Вряд ли эта тема рухнет в обычный для Оффтопикз флуд, потому что в общем-то тема эта для постоянных местных посетителей скучная и неинтересная. Меня уже несколько раз просили пояснить в чем тут дело и зачем вообще эта тема, чтобы не копаться в моем длинном английском стартере. ОК. Расскажу вкратце суть.

Я DoW моддер. Точнее сам я себя считаю старым RTS игроком. Играл в этот жанр еще с древних Dune2 и Warcraft I Orcs&Humans. Был просто нормальным компьютерным игроком, который признает только авторские оригиналы игр (всякие переводы не терплю). Эстет короче. :) Моддером стал только с 2008 года и не от хорошей жизни. Стало как-то не во что играть в любимом жанре. Ну а DoW одна из лучших игр в этом смысле. Плюс по ходу вообще стал фанатом W40k как игровой вселенной (книжек по ней перечитал массу). Короче начиная с 2008 года я наваял громадный мод, под названием Titanium Wars Mod (TWM). DoW -- это очень хорошо модифицируемая игра. Просто кладезь для свободного творчества. Модельки там вообще иногда просто как произведение искусства. Но не буду отвлекаться... В общем казалось бы живи себе и радуйся. Мод хостился на Relicnews (как официальный форум мода), а файлы валялись на Megaupload. Народ скачивал, играл, а я ваял себе его помаленьку... Но вот недавно ушлые амеры прикрыли сайт Megaupload. История этого сайта есть в Википедии -- что-то там было про нарушение законов USA. Мод остался без привычного файлхостинга. Ну и я стал подбирать другой. Выбор пал на сайт ModDB. Оказалось, что сайт хороший и свои функции выполняет. Для меня он стал выполнять функцию сайта мода. И на этом же ModDB давно хостится другой мод -- Ultimate Apocalypse mod (UA mod). Его команда считает мой мод своим конкурентом. Вообще-то я наваял свой мод много раньше их. И в нем есть фичи, которые трудно просто стырить. Так что UA мне не конкуренты без ложной скромности могу сказать. Но модельки то тырить можно спокойно (и много чего еще). Они и натырили у меня моделек (подозреваю и не только их -- фактически их мод во многом обязан моему моду своим возникновением). Я это вообще-то никому не запрещаю -- тырьте наздоровье. Но в DoW Community как бы при этом считатеся хорошим тоном указывать у себя в ридми и стартерах тем о моде, где, что и у кого ты взял. Типа моддеры отдают дань уважения работе друг друга. Нормальное, вежливое и уважительное поведение в DoW Community. Так вот тут и кроется соль темы. Эти :oops: ребята из команды UA мода меня просто достали. Спамили у меня в темах, писали мне заносчивые письма и все такое. И это не смотря на то, что они свободно используют у себя в моде кучу моих готовых файлов, кода и прочего стаффа. Казалось бы должны быть благодарны мне... дык нет. Я в общем-то всегда достойно отбивался от них и плевал на все это. Но вот когда я наконец захостился на ModDB это все стало уже неприятно. Там есть голосовалки и рейтинги. Эти :oops: парни из UA команды и их фаны опустили мне рейтинг ниже плинтуса и пишут всякую дрянь в комментах. Ну и еще там есть нюансы с теми же кредитами о моем моде, которые они указывают у себя через одно место... Короче наши ребята, когда узнали об этом пошли меня морально поддержать (за что им ОГРОМНОЕ СПАСИБО!) и заспамили им страницу на ModDB. :) Сейчас там очень забавно. :) Разгул для троллинга. Наши завсегдатаи Оффтопикз может быть даже оценили бы юмор ситуации. Там можно голосовать за каждый коммент. Понижать и повышать кармочку комментов. Наши там устроили буржуям жесткую войну комментов. :) И надо сказать с успехом пережимали UA фанатов. :) Сейчас ситуация понемногу разряжается, но все еще до конца не решено. Я выставил требования UA команде. Если они их исполнят, то конфликт утухнет. Но если нет... то у меня было и есть намерение запретить им использовать мой контент. По идее там действуют некоторые правила, что можно, а что нет. Как выяснилось это не так просто сделать, но возможность устроить UA команде большие непрятности в ответ у меня есть. На данный момент мы вроде побеждаем. Объявился их старый UA лидер, и сказал, что хочет пойти на мировую со мной. Если он выполнит все мои требования, то вся эта давняя история закончится мирно. А мы приобретем опыт разрешения конфликтов на ModDB. Сайт этот для нас может быть очень полезным, как я начинаю думать. Наши ребята как-то не очень его используют. Но возможно после всех этих событий наши DoW моды двинутся на запад. :) Пусть знают наших. Пусть знают, что не надо нас лишний раз трогать. :) Пока русский лежит на печке и всем доволен, то он добрейший и милейший человек на свете. Но... лучше его не злить... ну вы знаете... :)

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