Тираниды в аосьмёрке

Ficuss · 30 октября, 2017

Как удачно я НЕ продал своих Нидов)

Pururu · 30 октября, 2017

Как назло, тиранидских батлфорсов в магазинах днём с огнём не сыскать.

Изменено 31 октября, 2017 пользователем Pururu

Мой игривый енот · 30 октября, 2017

Что там ниды тоже стают с колен? Если все встали с колен, то кто еще на коленях?

Pururu · 30 октября, 2017

Это твоё виденье. Моё виденье подсказывает, что если я захочу погонять Горгону, Кронос или Бегемот, то перекрашивать я их не буду(не настолько я упоротый хоббист, да и с точки зрения бэка тут всё ок). На турниры я всё равно не езжу, да и по ЕТЦ покрас к визивигу не относится. ЧСХ, моя мета такова, что Жиллиман бегает в схеме ЧХ, и смотрится интереснее, чем в родной ультрамарской :D Кстати, именных флотовых минек, судя по слухам, не завезли, так что Сварми и ООЕ могут гонять хоть в цветах Бегемота, хоть Левиафана.

Чтобы отделить зёрна от плевел, уточню, что вышесказанное относится к матчедплейдрочу. Если играть нарративную бэковую кампанию, то покрашенные в бэковые цвета армии добавят наслаждения и ускорят наступление эстетического оргазма.

Одноглаза жалко. С одной стороны, теперь невыцеливаемый, с другой - стоит 200 очков, генерит допатаки на 6+, если ауру оставили, то на 5+, а на чардже на 4+, и это если бить косами. Если бить клешнёй, то на 6+ под аурой.

Изменено 30 октября, 2017 пользователем Pururu

**sidestep** · 30 октября, 2017

Одноглаза жалко. С одной стороны, теперь невыцеливаемый

Это вообще невероятной мощи бафф. На такое грех жаловаться.

Faris001 · 30 октября, 2017

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10...omepage-post-2/

Pururu · 30 октября, 2017

Жирный ап синапса и тени в варпе. *____* Ням-ням!

Abrgwefdwe · 30 октября, 2017

Главное, чтобы не было такого, что вот эта пачка тиранидов детачмент по Бегемоту, а вот та другая, такого же цвета, играет по Левиафану.

P. S. может обсуждение тиранидов перевести в соответствующую тему?

**HiveTyrant** · 31 октября, 2017

Ждём очередной наплыв армий типа "левиафана, который на самом деле горгон".

Леви на самом деле шикарен. Отличный трейт для монстров. Стада карников можно выгуливать. А против толп мелочи отлично справятся всякие генокультисты, которым, думаю, некоторые стратагемы отлично зайдут - все нужные кейворды там вроде присутствуют...

**Dominic_Kaine** · 31 октября, 2017

Главное, чтобы не было такого, что вот эта пачка тиранидов детачмент по Бегемоту, а вот та другая, такого же цвета, играет по Левиафану.

Краешек базы в другой цвет мазнут и норм. Говнарей полстраны.

Чайка · 31 октября, 2017

P. S. может обсуждение тиранидов перевести в соответствующую тему?

Внезапно, она оказалась закрытой

**HiveTyrant** · 31 октября, 2017

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10...cenery-bundles/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10...omepage-post-2/

"Флоты едино"

BEHEMOTH:

Hive Fleet Attribute: Re-roll failed charges.

Warlord Trait: A To-Wound roll of 6+ during the Fight Phase deals 1 additional damage.

Stratagem: Brute Force (1CP)

Use when a Benemoth unit successfully completes a charge. Roll a dice for each model in the unit that ended it's charge move within 1” of an enemy model. For each roll of 6+, the enemy unit suffers 1 Mortal Wound. If the charging unit was a Monster, it instead inflicts a Mortal Wound on a roll of 2+.

GORGON:

Hive Fleet Attribute: Re-roll 1's To-Hit during the Fight Phase.

Warlord Trait: At the end of the Fight Phase roll a dice for each unit within 1”/3”* of the Warlord. On a 4+ that unit suffers a Mortal Wound.

Stratagem: Hypertoxicity (1CP)

Use during the Fight Phase. Choose a Gorgon unit equipped with Toxin Sacs. The biomorph does 1 additional damage on To-Wound rolls of 5+ instead of 6+.

*Seeg said one, LordHikaru said the other.

HYDRA:

Hive Fleet Attribute: Re-roll all failed To-Hit rolls during the Fight Phase for units who outnumber their opponents.

Warlord Trait: At the beginning of your turn roll a dice for each Wound your Warlord has suffered previously in battle, on a 6+ it regains that Wound.

Stratagem: Endless Swarm (2cp)**

Select a destroyed unit of Termagants, Hormsgaunts, Gargoyles, or any Hydra Infantry unit that has been completely destroyed. Add an identical unit to your army and set it up as reinforcements wholly within 6” of any board edge, and more than 9 inch from any enemy units.

**Not sure if this is actually the Hydra stratagem, if it simply has a bonus when used by Hydra armies. The wording implies the later, but I couldn't find another trait that specifically mentions Hydra in the leaks.

JORMUNGANDR:

Hive Fleet Attribute: A unit with this adaptation (other than units that can Fly) always has the benefit of cover for the purpose of shooting attacks. If the unit advances or charges, however, it loses the benefits of this adaptation until the start of your next movement phase.

Warlord Trait: Enemy units do not benefit from Cover against attacks made by the Warlord or friendly units within 3” of the Warlord.

Stratagem: The Enemy Below (1CP)

Use this Stratagem during deployment when setting up a Jormungandr Infantry unit. Instead of deploying normal set this unit up underground. When you set up a unit of tunnellers (Raveners, Trygon, Trygon Prime, or Mawloc) any number of units that have been set up underground may deploy with them. Place that unit within 3” of the tunneller and more than 9” away from any enemy units.

KRAKEN:

Hive Fleet Attribute: Units may charge after Falling Back.

Warlord Trait: Choose a unit within 6” of the Warlord, it may fight first in the Fight Phase even if it didn't charge.

Stratagem: Opportunistic Advance (1CP)

Use in the Movement Phase. Choose a Kraken unit that does not have the Fly keyword. When Advancing you can double number you roll when determining how much to add to the unit's Movemnt characteristic.

KRONOS:

Hive Fleet Attribute: If a unit does not Move, it may re-roll 1's To-Hit when shooting.

Warlord Trait: If an enemy Psyker within 18” of your Warlord fails a Psychic Test they suffer D3 Mortal Wounds.

Stratagem: Against Shadows (1CP)

Use when an enemy psyker attempts to cast a spell within 24” of a Kronos unit. That psyker can only use one dice for their psychic test.

LEVIATHAN:

Hive Fleet Attribute: Each unit may re-roll 1 failed To-Hit and To-Wound roll when it shoots or fights (needs exact wording before confirmation).

Warlord Trait: After deployment, but before the first game turn, you may re-deploy your Warlord.

Stratagem: War On All Fronts (1CP)

Use during the Fight Phase. Select enemy unit within 1” of one Flying and one non-Flying Leviathan unit. You may re-roll all To-Hit and To-Wound rolls of 1 for attacks against the enemy unit made by friendly Leviathin units.

"МНОГО ТЕКСТА"

Still no instinctive behaviour update! It's killing me as the way it currently works has been the nicest way to play nids in ages!

most of the artefacts are soso. but there is a 30 inch norm crown that negates the effect of IB, but doesn't give you anything else.

1cp the enemy below (jormungandr)

use strat when jor inf set up, put it undergorund. whenever u set up raveners mawloc trygon or trygon prime. any no of its unit can be set up within the tunnels, 3 inch from burrowing unit ,9 inch away enemy.

1cp brute force (behemoth)

use when benemoth unit complete charge . roll d6 for each behemoth charging model within 1inch of enemy. each roll of 6, 1 MW on enemy unit. 2+ for a behemoth monster charging

(30 man gant charge in, roll d6 for all, on a 6 chuck a mw)

1cp war on all fronts (leviathan)

fight phase. select enemy within 1inch of 1 flying and 1 nonflying leviathan unit. can reroll hits & wound rolls of 1 for levi attacks against the enemy unit

1cp Against Shadow (Kronos)

enemy psyker attempts to cast a spell within 24 inch of kronos unit. that psyker can only use 1 dice for his psyk test.

1cp Hypertoxicity (Gorgon)

fight phase. choose gorgon wiht toxin sac, the biomorph do 1 additional dmg on wounds roll of 5+ instead of 6

2cp Endless Swarm

Select a destroyed unit of gants, horms, garg or any hydra inf unit that has been completely destroyted. Add an identical unit to your army and set it up as reinforcement wholly 6inch of any board edge , more than 9 inch from enemy

1cp Opportunistic Advance

Use in move phase for advancing Kraken unit (noFly units), can double number you roll for advance and add to the move characteristic

3cp Call the Brood

end of move. add a new unit of up to 5 genestealers, wholly within 6 of a brood or infestation node but more than 9 from enemy

3Cp adrenaline surge

end of fight phase. select a nid unit from army, can immediately fight again

2cp Digestive Denial

After deployment but before turn start. choose a piece of terrain othre than fortifciation.

Units fullywithin or on this piece of terrain do not gain any bonus to their saving throws for being in cover.....

lol if anyone piles their whole army onto one big terrain in their deployment.

2cp single minded annihilation

end of shoot phase, choose inf unit, shoot again lol (devil gants/hiveguard lol)

1cp grisly feast

morale phase. select ripper or haru. enenemy within 6 inch must add 1 to morale test

2cp pathogenic slime

shooting phase. select nid mon. increase dmg of its attack by for this phase. lol 2dmg dakka flyrant/exo/tyrannofex

3cp sporefield

after both armies deploy, add up 2 unit of spore mines as reinf, more than 12 inch from enemy

1cp invisible hunter

move phase. lictor within 1 inhc of enemy. that model can fall back shoot and charge.

1cp power of the hive mind

end of psyk phase, choose a nid spyker that casted earlier, can cast 1 additional power

1cp pheromone trail

choose when nid inf set up as reinf/reserve. if got lictor on battlefield, you can set up wholly within 6 inch of lictor and more than 9 from enemy

2cp death frenzy

use when nid char die, it can shoot again as if it were shooting phase, or fight again as if fight phase before its removal

1cp overrun

use when nid unit destroys an unit in fight, and not within 3 inch of enemy. that you unit can forgo consolidation, but move and advance as if movement phase but cannot move within 1inch of enemy model

1cp voracious appetite

fight phase, nid mon or character is chosen to fight.can reroll all failed wounds for that model til end of phase

a thing to note is that the screamer killer's bioplasmic scream is free and part of the default wargear. whereas the carnifex's bioplasma is not free and is an option. (please do correct me if i'm wrong lordhikaru!)

and just to reiterate cuz some ppl missed it in this ridiculously fast moving thread.

swarmlord is NOT leviathan keyword. i caused some confusion from my wrongly reported warlord traits. swarmlord has the re-set up your warlord before the game starts one. the leviathan trait is in fact this:

1 per battle round. you can reroll a single hit/wound/dmg /advance charge or saving throw for the wl

shadow in the warp is still the same

the other 3 psychic spells i didnt write are the same as index. please refer to the compiled rumours thread.

psk barrage

need 3x3 zoans to shoot a point, all unit within 3 inch of that point rolls. 4+ unit suffer 3d3 mortal

1cp caustic blood

start of fight phase.select nid unit, roll d6 when a model dies, on 6 enemy suffer mw

2cp rapid regen

end of mov, heal d3

1cp scorch bugs

shoot phase

seelect nid, +1 to wound for all feshborer or fleshborer hive attacks

1cp feeder tendrils

when gene lictor toxi venom kills a chara in fight phase, gain d3 cp

1cp implant attack

use aft nid unit fight in fight phase. roll d6 for each wounded enemy model and not slain. 2+ suffer , model suffers a mw

1/3cp bounty of hive fleet

artefact thing

1cp metabolic movement

use in move , after a nid unit as movemed. you can move that unit again includ advance. however roll a d6 for every model, on a 1 , unit gets a MW. cannot shoot or charge that turn.

old eyeball 200 pts. 9w character add 1 roll to hit if charged

extra attack now on 6 only

doesn't degrade

tyrand our lord and savior

T7 12 wounds -1attack 4++

synpase 18 inch

dakkadevs are 6 shots

That's a good point; range on acid spray?

Stats on fleshborer hive?

BL devourers?

Deathspitters w/ slimer maggots?

18 inch on spray.

zoan grouip of 6 +3 mortal wound damage on smit

Tyrant guard plus 1 attack

genes bs4 got flesh hook as option

New ability: infestion

-can put 4 nodes in ur own deploy area , if enemy near it , it disappears. u can pop up from any of the 4 nodes as per normal ds/reserve.

either or option, lose run and charege but gain 4+ armor save

gargs can ds,

Haru mon no change but but like huge point drop 65-80

veno brood 3 or more gives cover to mons. 6 increases their range to 9

malecep 4++ , psyk overload now include on 6 due 3 mortals instead of 1 level 2 psyker

carnifexes are aout right?

Toxicr same ish \ tox lash are 2ap

tyranofex same ish. \ a spray is 2d6, rupture is 3 strength 10 3ap d6 damage

Exo same

red terror -1attack -1wep skill

Harpy: point same ish.

Heavy venom canon are now d3 S9 Ap2 3damage

tyranocyte: cheaper as deathspitter cheaper

mawloc: same ish

new wep, bio rattle Strength user, ap1 1 damage

toxinspike, strenght 1 d3 damage , always wound on 2 but not on vehicles

A lot of weapons cost are slightly cheaper and inbuilt into the base cost of units that only can have them.

Stinger salvos are now 24 inches, so that is factored into every existing model that can have them. eg. slight cost increase for everything that has them

Crone

Lost 1 attack. Tentaclids are now 4 shot.

Details about instinctive behaviour and Shadow in the warp would be great.

Also are Shrikes still in the codex? Thank you...

No Shrikes.

Fleet WLT Traits

Behemoth: WOund roll of 6 in fight phase. that attack +1 dmg

Kraken: 1 friendly kraken unit within 6 of wlt, can fight first in fight phase even without charging

Leviathan : 1 per battle round. you can reroll a single hit/wound/dmg /advance charge or saving throw for the wl.

Gorgon: end of fight phase. roll d6 for every enemy within 1" of warlord. on 4+, that unit suffer a MW.

Jormungandr: Enemy unit dont gain bonus to saving throw for being in cover by attacks from wl, or friendly Jormungandr units within 3 of wl.

Hydra: Beginning of each of your turn, roll a dice for each wound WL suffered, on a 6, heal.

Kronos: Enemy psyker fail a psychic test within 18 of your wl, they suffer D3 MW

Warlord

1) First battle turn, before first turn, you can remove your warlord and set them up again.

2) Never suffer any hit roll penalties. Overwatch still on 6s.

3) Add 6" synapse

4) WL kill a character in fight, friendly hive unit in 3" , get to move as per normal again at end of phase.

5) Before battle start, choose opponent unit. WL reroll all failed hit rolls against that all units with the same dataslate. (etc. All obliterator squads)

6) After end of any phase, wlt take a wound, remaining of battle, all dmg to wl -1

Did a bit of reorganisation here...

Hive Fleet traits (apply to everything)

* complete*

behemoth: reroll failed charges

Kraken: can charge after falling back

Gorgon: reroll 1s to hit for fight phase

jormungandr: always have cover bonus (i'm not sure if i read this right)

hydra: reroll misses against units with less models during fight phase

kronos: reroll 1s to hit for shooting, IF the unit doesnt move

Leviathan: looks to be the same as salamander tactic but i'm not 100% sure

Psychic Powers

* missing at least 3 powers*

Psychic scream, WC5, Targets nearest enemy within 18" does d3 mortal wounds. if the target is a psyker, also roll 2d6. if the value is higher than the enemy psyker's leadership, the enemy psyker loses 1 spell at random

paroxysm WC5, target enemy unit within 12" of the psyker fights last. (there's a whole big ass block of text here talking about exceptions and what not)

*cant remember the name* target unit within 36" of the psyker essentially gains synapse

warp blast is the same except at a unit of 6 it deals d3+3 instead of d3+d3

Warlord Traits

*missing generic traits and 3 hive fleet specific ones*

hivefleet gorgon warlord trait: enemy units within 3" of the warlord at the end of the turn take 1 mortal wound each on a 4plus

hivefleet behemoth warlord trait: on 6's to wound he deals an additional damage

hivefleet leviathan warlord trait: after deployment but before start of game, redeploy your warlord

the jormungandr trait is the cover bonus itself. so it definately doesnt stack

Stratagems

*missing most stratagems*

hivefleet kronos stratagem: 2cp, when an enemy psyker attempts to cast a spell, make it use only 1 dice to roll

hivefleet behemoth stratagem: 2cp, choose on unit. roll a d6 for each charging model. for each 6 deal 1 mortal wound to the enemy unit it charged. for monsters its on a roll of 2+

the jormungandr stratagem is one giant cluster of weird ass sounding things. to give u an idea. before deployment u choose a unit(not monster) to deepstrike. it can deepstrike per normal rules but only from a 'tunnel'. then they go on to talk about what a 'tunnel' is. ravener, trygon and....one more thing... i cant remember... makes 'tunnels'

2cp stratagem: choose one unit. at the end of the shooting phase it shoots again. (cannot target monsters)

Relics

*missing most relics*

there is a relic for any character that gives either +1S, +1A or +1T during fight phase. roll dice to see which buff

its a relic venom cannon. same stats as a venom cannon except d6 shots. but if the target is within 12" it auto hits and always wounds on 2+

Units / Wargear

i dont have the numbers but there are many reductions in costs for big bug melee and ranged weapons. eg. massive scything are now 10pts. massive scything talons in a pair are cheaper too (cant remember exact number). monstrous scything talons are much cheaper too. carnifex comes stock with tresher scythe which is now zero points and is the same wording as the hive tyrant. which is, it makes its profile attacks, which in the codex is 4, and then also makes the tail attack, which is now 1d3 attacks.

tyrant guard still suck. scything talons are still 0. rending claws are still 2. boneswords are still 4. crushing claws are 12 (yay i guess)

carnifexes have a point reduction. exocrines have a minor one. tyrannocyte has a sizeable one too. warriors are still the same. zoanthropes are the same. haruspex has a big one. biovores are the same. the spore mine rules are the same too. hiveguard are either the same or has an inconsequential decrease in points.

our hive tyrant is now t7, 12W. wings will have deepstrike. has a base 4++. down one attack [to 4]. didnt manage to see the pointage or the wargear options. no idea if monstrous rending claws are still a thing.

hive tyrants can still take MRC

Swarmlord does still have hive commander

swarmlord is t7, 12w, 4++. his blade parry makes it 3++. no other notable change i think. uses leviathan warlord trait

old one is is now 9 wounds. 200 pts. hits of 6 generate one additional attack. can be equipped with a scything talons relic that +1s ap-3, 3dmg, +1 attack. uses behemoth warlord trait

Neurothrope is now HQ, a character and no longer part of a zoanthrope unit. zoanthropes within 6" of a neurothrope reroll 1s for psychic tests. the spirit leech thing now only heals 1 wound for a zoanthrope unit withint 6"

neurothrope is cheap as balls. i want to say 45 but i'm not 100% certain.

maleceptors deal 3 mortal wounds if we roll a 6 on that weird aoe ability. it knows 2 spells and can cast and deny 2 spells. also t7. also 4++

maleceptors total pointage including wargear is 172. T7, 12W

venomthropes and zoans are still fielded as units of 3

venomthropes when in grp of 3 also affect monsters. when in a grp of 6, the aura becomes 6".

genestealers remain the same. but have an option of getting +1 armour but they lose swift and deadly. (wtf GW)

no changes to raveners..

tyrannocyte is now 100 pts. 5pts for each deathspitter.

exocrine with all wargear is 210 or something like that. minor points decrease

tyranofex is 185 pts.

rupture cannon is 47 or 49.

rupture cannon profile is heavy 3, s10 ap-3 d6 damage. thats all. no more funky "if it hits both..blablabla"

there are now 3 seperate carnifex entries. 1.) Carnifex 2.) Screamer killer 3.) Thornback

carnifex including 2x monstrous scything talons clock in total at 83 pts.. the 2 pairs of monstrous scything talons for carnifexes are 15 pts, 1 pair is 14 pts. yes.. i know. dont ask me why.

there are individual upgrades for basic carnifexes. +1BS, +1 attack on the charge, -1 to hit from enemy shooting. on the charge carnifexes and screamer killers now get +1 WS on top of the current battering ram rule

screamer killers come stock with "bio plasmic scream" which is 0 points, 12" assault 6(not sure on the number), S7 ap-1, 1damage. screamer killers come stock with 2 monstrous scything talons as well. 90 pts in total

dont have much info on the thornback other than at the end of combat roll d6 for each enemy unit in combat with it. on 6 deal 1 mortal wound

the carnifex biomorpth that gives -1 to hit to enemy shooters does not stack with venomthrope. said biomorph is 10 pts.

for the carnifex biomorphs:

-1 to hit from enemy shooting biomorph is 10 pts

+1 attack on the charge is 8 pts

+1 BS is 10 points

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our hive tyrant is now t7, 12W. wings will have deepstrike. has a base 4++. down one attack. didnt manage to see the pointage or the wargear options. no idea if monstrous rending claws are still a thing.

carnifex are t7 as well. slight cost reduction. didnt get to see anything else.

maleceptors deal 3 mortal wounds if we roll a 6 on that weird aoe ability. it knows 2 spells and can cast and deny 2 spells. also t7. also 4++

thats all i managed to see

i roughly remember 2 more things

1 is a stratagem tied to a fleet whose name i cant remember.

start of psychic phase, choose one enemy psyker (cant remember if there's a range or if its from one of our own psykers). Targeted enemy psyker uses only 1 dice to roll his spells

and a warlord trait: if an enemy psyker within x inches (cant remember the range) fails his cast he suffers d3 mortal wounds. i'm sure i missed something else here. my memory sucks ass.

also, i pm'ed a certain esteemed member of this forum with a screen shot. i requested him not to post it but hopefully he can now vouch that i'm not bullshitting.

maleceptor is still 1 per unit base.

its only 3 when u roll a 6

there seems to be a misunderstanding.

hive tyrants will have 4 attacks.. not 3

its 4 attacks and then an additional tail attack on top of that

They are the same datasheet. 170 for flying hive tyrant. Monstrous rending claws are still zero points.

ok here we go

"chapter tactics"