Dwarfs -2014

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фейк?

не , хетред и +1 просто забыли дописать) все в норме)

почитав ББ

У нх тм своя атмсфера

[OldWorld]

Что выходит по героям?

1) В лордах.

С нами остались:

- Торек

- Торгрим

Вернули:

- Унгрима

- Алрика

2) В героях.

Как был так и остался:

- Багман и его банда рейнджеров

Абсолютно новые:

- Белгар

- Гримм

В итоге 7 героев?

Ещё в лордах и героях на сайте есть белый гном, но вряд ли на него будут правила, верно?

[White Boy]

Еще "+" брейкеров - могут брать аое стабборн банер.

именно отряд может брать? хммммммммм... )) это хороший пойнт в придумывании фановых ростеров ))

Изменено 10 февраля, 2014 пользователем White Boy

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Naked Grudgethrower is 40 slaves. Not a rumor. Book in front of me. Naked Organ Gun is 60 slaves. Naked Flame Cannon is not merely the "same with a new rule;" it is 70 slaves, has Multiple Wounds (d3) and has the capacity to shoot the way it did in 7th edition before 8th edition made it fire straight from the barrel. It can also take the Rune of Forging which means you'd have to roll two misfires in a row to actually misfire; and the Rune of Forging is no longer one use only.

The ones that are Ld 10 base are Ironbreakers, Irondrakes and Slayers.

Изменено 10 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

[Шикарный Манул]

Slayer rules are:

Ancestral Grudge

Deathblow

Relentless

Resolute

Slayer

Slayer Axes

Slayer Cult

Unbreakable

Keep in mind, though, that each Slayer that is killed gets just a single attack roll. It is treated like a normal attack, though, barring it's unusual timing, so potentially would be affected by things like Hatred re-rolls or re-rolls to-wound from the Banner of Lost Holds.

Remember, you can actually duplicate banners if you follow the rules for making runic items. Unfortunately, the least expensive banner rune is 10 slaves in cost. When most units can only take 25 slaves of banner, that causes some restriction.

But, that being said, you could do some shenanigans. Say you wanted three units with Strollaz (17.5 slaves) for the vanguard move. One of the units that has the regular banner allotment could take a straight Strollaz rune (think Ironbreakers, Longbeards, etc.). Then, a unit if Hammerers could take a combi-runic banner, say Strollaz and Battle (Hammerers are allowed up to 37.5 slaves worth of banner runes). Then, you could take a BSB with Strollaz and up to 2 others of whatever he wants (only one Master rune, of course). So, then you could have three units vanguarding, and even take some Rangers to have a fourth unit that Scouts.

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

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1. The Gyrocopter doesn't have a Breath Weapon. It has a gun that uses the flame template to determine who's hit. Think of it like a Flame Cannon that doesn't actually shoot the template anywhere. So, no, it's not usable in close combat, but you could use it in every shooting phase as long as it's alive.

2. The rule states, "If a Master Engineer is not fleeing, a single war machine that is within 3" of him can use his Ballistic Skill and re-roll one artillery dice during the Shooting phase. This cannot be the artillery dice that determines the distance a cannonball bounces or a Flame Cannon's burst of flames. You must nominate which weapon, if any, will be using this special rule at the start of each Shooting phase, before any such weapons within 3" of the Master Engineer are fired."

3. The 2xRunes of Fire is 25 slaves. The Ancestral Heirloom that gives the breath weapon is cheaper, at 17.5 slaves. I think the only reason to take just 2xRunes of Fire is if you want two breath weapons. Yes, you could have multiple characters with the breath weapon from the Rune of Fire; there are lots of weapon runes at the 12.5 slaves cost and under. I think the 3xRune of Fire is too expensive for what it does, giving the breath weapon Multiple Wounds (d3) because it's so expensive that it takes up a Lord's entire Runic item allotment

they can take up to 25 slaves of banner. That would allow them to take the banner with 2xRune of Slowness:

First question, how much do the fight in an extra rank banner and reroll to wound banner cost? (In skaven slaves of course)

Second question, how do heirlooms work? Do they count against your rune allowance or are they in addition? In that case can a battle standard take a runic standard and heirloom?

Lastly, who can take an oathstone and is it affordable?

1. Both are very pricey; pretty much only available to a BSB.* The re-roll to-wound is 50 slaves. The fight in extra rank is the result of taking 3xRunes of Battle and also grants an additional +2 to combat resolution (on a BSB that would be a bonus 4 to CR); this costs 62.5 slaves.

2. Yup, they're just pre-made runic items. The rule for runic items on characters reads, "May take a combination of Ancestral Heirlooms and runic weapons, armor and talismans up to a total of...."

3. Oathstone isn't bad at all. It's 12.5 slaves. It's available to Lords and Thanes. It's just an option like a weapon or mundane armor, so doesn't count towards Runes.

*Ungrim, the Slayer special character, allows a single Slayer unit to take a Runic standard of up to 50 slaves in value. If you took Ungrim, and really wanted to, you could put the re-roll to wound banner on a Slayer unit and still take a BSB to have another high cost banner.

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

[Листопадов]

Тёмные эльфы, новички:

Bleak swords

Scourgerunner Chariot

Kharibdyss

Sisters of Slaughter

Bloodwrack Shrine

Bloodwrack Medusa

Doomfire Warlocks

Black Ark Fleetmaster

Гномы, новички:

Gyrobomber

Iron Drakes

Это жесть.

[Benge]

Тёмные эльфы, новички:

Неиграбельное для полки х7

Doomfire Warlocks

Гномы, новички:

Gyrobomber

Iron Drakes

Дада, только варлоков все и берут. Посмотрим, что из новичков дварфов будет играбельным.

[Forestwalk]

я верно понял что слееры такие мини недочемпионы серых рыцарей?

[Khinin]

Все потому, что гномы полноценная и аутэнтичная игровая фракция - ей обновления не нужны :)

[Hide]

Однако бородатые суперстронк

[John Silver]

Имхо в реалиях ЕТС (с ограничением в стоимость отряда 450) никаких хаммереров или брейкеров с вангардом мы не увидим, а вот айрондраконы в количестве 25-28 бород под вангардом очень интересные ;) особенно с бсб с рунами слоунеса и стабборна :)

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем John Silver

[Barristan]

Имхо в реалиях ЕТС (с ограничением в стоимость отряда 450) никаких хаммереров или брейкеров с вангардом мы не увидим, а вот айрондраконы в количестве 25-28 бород под вангардом очень интересные ;) особенно с бсб с рунами слоунеса и стабборна :)

Но как то все больно негуманно по очкам выходит.

Оно конечно может и хорошо что минек меньше покупать, но мало всего лезет.

[John Silver]

Но как то все больно негуманно по очкам выходит.

Оно конечно может и хорошо что минек меньше покупать, но мало всего лезет.

Вот 3-4 вертолета - это интересно, потому что деплой чойс стоят дешево, плюс стреляют и дивертят... На счет вангарда - не уверен что сильно надо. Бомбер имхо проигрывает и органке и драконам, а рары не такие резиновые как спешалы... Ну а коры - это стрелки, потому что имхо опять же лонги слишком дороги за то что они умеют

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2. No, I wasn't paying sufficient attention. It's Hammerers that get the 37.5 slaves of banner, everything else that can take a runic banner is limited to 25 slaves in points. I apologize for not paying sufficient attention while posting stuff. Trying to not be confusing.

It appears that the runic item creation rules are pretty much the same as before.

Are there any changes to thunderers and quarrellers? Points change or anything?

They're both 6 slaves, base. They don't take the -1 penalty for Stand and Shoot anymore.

Are quarrellers with great weapons 7.5 slaves?

Just to make sure- Longbeards are the only core unit to get runic banners?

1. Nope, just 7 slaves. They're 7.5 if you want great weapons and shields.

2. Yes.

I didnt read all the topic so maybe you did already answer but are the wm engineers gone (I mean the upgrade to wm not the heroes)? And our cannon is d3 or d6 wounds?

Only engineer that exists is the Master Engineer.

It's a cannon as per BRB cannon rules.

Though, I've mentioned this and I'll mention it again; the Rune of Forging is not one-use only anymore. If you put it on a cannon, you can re-roll the artillery die "whenever a misfire result is rolled." (Of course, no re-rolling a re-roll.)

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

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Yeah, "Ancient Power" is now gone. Thorek just gets a +1 to cast the bound spells

Is the spell eater rune considered a master rune?

Nope

There isn't actually a "spell eater rune."

Instead, you put two runes of spell breaking on a single runic talisman, and the talisman then has the effect of what we used to call a Rune of Spell Eating.

Is forging now cheap enough to be placed on any warmachine that can take runes?

12.5 slaves.

Is rune of forging cannon only?

Nope.

Is the Rune of Dismay still around??

Yes:

1 = cause fear

2 = cause terror

3 = cause terror and enemy units in base contact take -1 Ld penalty.

40 slaves....

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

[Шикарный Манул]

Weapon runes that are in the price range:

Skalf Blackhammer: wounds on 2+ unless target in magic armor, in which case wounds on 3+

Smiting: Multiple Wounds (d6)

Alaric the Mad: No armor saves

Breaking: Destroys magic items on target character on roll of 2+

Dragon Slaying: Wounds dragons on 2+ with multiple wounds (2)

Daemon Slayingx2: +1 to hit and to wound anything from Daemons of Chaos book + multiple wounds (d3)

Firex2: Flaming Attacks and S4 breath weapon

Furyx2: +1 Attack and Frenzy

Cleavingx3: Armor piercing, +1 S, Killing Blow

Mightx2: Sx2 vs T>5 and multiple wounds (d3) against those tough critters

Strikingx3: WS10 and re-roll failed to-hits in combat (dang, that's only 30 slaves)

As a matter of interest, is the MRofFlight (flying hammer) still a thing; also thx, you're working well

Yes, it exists. It has 12" range. Hits on a 2+. If there are any other runic effects on the weapon, they're applied, too. It specifies that said runic weapon can still be used in close combat as well.

Ungrim is 175 slaves of, IMHO, totally worth it.

From a durability standpoint, T6, 3W, 3+/4++ (2++ vs flaming attacks)

Offensively, 4 WS 9, S 6 attacks with KB at Initiative 5.

He also has the Daemon Slayer rule (opponents re-roll successful ward saves) and the Dragon Slayer rule (multiple wounds (d3) vs Monsters).

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

[Бернхард]

Бомбер имхо проигрывает и органке и драконам, а рары не такие резиновые как спешалы...

Но надо учитывать, что эффективная органка это:

120 за органку + 60 за инженера + 25 (?) за руну меткости = 205.

И это если не вешать других рун на органку или инженера.

[kastilio]

Следующая волна 22 да?

[Шикарный Манул]

60 за инженера

70

Следующая волна 22 да?

да, хотя смотря в чем вопрос - предзаказ 15го

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Шикарный Манул

[kastilio]

В плане когда последние модельки уже на сайте увидим. Спс)

[Бернхард]

70

Ну, тем более.

Напомните - у хеллбластера -1 ту хит за мультипл есть?

П.С. Нашел, что нет.

Изменено 11 февраля, 2014 пользователем Бернхард

[John Silver]

Но надо учитывать, что эффективная органка это:

120 за органку + 60 за инженера + 25 (?) за руну меткости = 205.

И это если не вешать других рун на органку или инженера.

Возможно ты и прав, но как я уже писал если ограничения не порежут драконов, то рары будут драконы (450) + бомбер или органка...

[Монгол]

Ну, тем более.

Напомните - у хеллбластера -1 ту хит за мультипл есть?

Нет конечно, у него и правила "малтипал шот" нет

[Бернхард]

Нет конечно, у него и правила "малтипал шот" нет

Да, уже нашёл. Так органка ценнее, но всё равно дороговата.