Dwarfs -2014

[Шикарный Манул]

1. Nope, the T10 rune is the Master Rune of Adamant. It's a 100 point armor rune.

2. I'm not positive about this. There is nothing that says you can't. In the old book, didn't it specify that if you runed up a great weapon, it ceased being a great weapon? The rune rules say that if you put a rune on a weapon, it becomes a magic weapon, but I don't see anything specifically that states that putting a rune on a great weapon makes it into a regular hand weapon. I would like to think that you could rune up a great weapon and keep the +2S, but I'm not certain. Is there anything in the main rulebook on magic weapons that would indicate that the combination would remove the great weapon strength bonus?

3. One rune of slowness: charging enemy unit subtracts 1d6 from their charge distance rolled. Two runes of slowness, you roll 2d6 and take the highest for the charge distance reduction. Three runes of slowness still use the 2d6 roll (pick the highest) for the charge distance reduction, and if the charging unit still makes it into contact, it has ASL until the end of the turn. One rune of battle grants an extra 1 point of combat resolution. Two runes of battle grant an extra 2 to combat resolution. Three runes of battle grant an extra 2 to combat resolution and grant the unit the Fight in Extra Ranks special rule. (Three is expensive as "I Swear too much", though. Can only fit on a BSB.)

The Flame Cannon can have Runes, too. An extra 25 points to re-roll a misfire result, especially when firing overcharged to hit enemy units on turn 1? Yeah, I'll take that.

The Throne of Power is a Thorgrim Grudgebearer item only; it's not available to purchase generally.

The anvil doesn't have any rule saying it can't move, at least not one I'm seeing.

What's the price on a standard warrior with hw and shield? Great weapon?

Do all lords have ld10?

8 points with hand weapon and heavy armor.

shields are 1 point

great weapons are 2 points

Edit: Sorry, missed the second question.

All lords (including special characters) are Ld 10 except for the Runelord, which is Ld 9. Most of the Heroes are Ld 10, too, except for the Master Engineer (including the special character engineer) and the Runesmith, which are Ld 9.

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[Шикарный Манул]

Can gyrobombers get vanguard too or only 'copters?

Unfortunately, it's only available to the 'Copters, and on a somewhat limited basis. Up to 1/2 of your total number of 'Copters, rounded up, can pay 20 points for the Vanguard move.

Miners and Rangers are largely unchanged. Miners use regular Ambush rules now, and the 'Drill grants +1 to the roll to see if they show up. Rangers come standard with handweapon, great weapon, throwing axe, crossbow and heavy armor. You can purchase shields at 1 point each. Base cost is 14. Miners' base cost is only 10. Rangers are 5+ in size; miners are 10+ in size.

Though, if you feel like dropping 165 points on Bugman, you then have the option to spend an extra 3 points per ranger. This grants the rangers +1 WS/BS/S. Makes them kind of pricey, but I guess that's pretty equivalent to the Longbeard Rangers we're used to seeing.

Hmm, the Anvil doesn't sound worth taking with the new rules. Only one bound spell per turn -and not really any impressive ones at that- for 170 points.

I guess I was unclear. You can attempt to use each one of the three runes once per turn; in other words, you can try all three, but if you fail, you can't try it again that turn.

Oh, you can't use any of the bound spells on the Anvil if the Anvil has moved, so I guess that means it's not immobile.

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[Шикарный Манул]

Can you only cast one bound spell per turn from the anvil

Any chance you could post a rundown of what the engineering runes do? To be honest I'd like all the runes but I imagine that would be fairly time-consuming to do so anything's a bonus!

So say you gave an organ gun plus one to hit for instance, is there anything else worth taking with the other 25 points

Is there still the 1+ armour save rune, the reroll armour saves rune, and the rune of stone? Can you still take multiple single runes of stone?

Flame cannon sounds pretty good now that you can reroll the dice and get that extra 12 inch range.

1. Nope, you can attempt to cast each one each turn.

2. Immolation: Detonate your warmachine to hurt enemies; automatically blows up if killed in close combat

Disguise: machine is in hard cover

Penetrating: Increases strength, can be taken twice. If on grudge thrower, affects both S values, as in x(y).

Stalwart: grants bonus to machines combat resolution score

Accuracy: +1 to hit with BS shooting or re-roll scatter die

Forging: reroll misfire on artillery die (this is NOT one use only. The wording is you can reroll "whenever a misfire result is rolled.)

Seeking: +1 to hit against targets with Flying

Burning: Flaming Attacks

3. Probably not, unless you're just trying to keep from duplicating so you can have the +1 to hit elsewhere. Seeking, Burning and a single Stalwart would all fit, but not be of tremendous use. (Well, maybe if you're shooting your Organ Gun at a bunch of Trolls you might like the Burning....)

4. Yes, there is a 1+ armor save rune. No, there is no longer a re-roll failed armor saves rune (the closest is a Rune that allows a single re-roll of a to hit, to wound, armor save, ward save or characteristic test during the course of the game). Yes, you can take multiples of single Runes of Stone.

It actually took me ages to finally find it in the old book. There it said at the top of the weaponrunes that if you put runes on weapons, those lost their regular properties (+2 strength for great weapons for example, and you needed the rune of kragg the grim to retain that). Maybe it's at the top of the weapon runes again in the new book.

Ugh. Found it. The last sentence states, "...he may choose weapon runes from the following list and apply them to his hand weapon."

So, apparently, runes can only be placed on hand weapons.

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[John Silver]

Basically, they reduced the points costs of runesmiths and rune lords and nerfed MR of Balance by requiring a 4+ to steal dice but RL's get MR2 and give unit AP and RS's get MR1 and give unit AP and they can take spellbeaker and spelleater runes.

The other thing is MR of Valaya costs a lot less now, is only a bit more costly than MR of Balance (but appears to be a banner), and still gives +2 to dispel (which is pretty good) and allows one to dispel a RIP spell in the friendly magic phase on a 3+.

A summary post on Bugman's which I edited.

Losses/nerfs:

- Less (guaranteed) dispel dice. Anvil is probably too expensive for 3 bound spells and +1 dice each magic phase even with extra wounds and models.

- Longbeards with great weapons pretty expensive (one pip increase cost per model)

- No more rerollable armoursaves with runes on characters

-War machines generally cost more

-Need Bugman special character to upgrade Rangers to Longbeard Rangers (+1WS/+1S/+1BS)

-Anvil appears to be nerfed (3 bound spells, so easily stopped but less feedback issues)

-MR Grungi costs more, gives BSB 4+ ward and 5+ward to units witin 6" of banner or unit with banner (might mean BSB)

Gains:

- No more warrior-tax on longbeards (long-beards cost slightly more but have better special rules)

-Thanes now LD10

- Retain the runes system after fearing for years it'd be removed, when in fact it is almost expanded due to the stacking effects

- A list of beneficial armywide special rules the length of your arm. Ancestral grudge gives some kind of hatred to general or army, depending on the roll, shieldwall gives +1 parry save when charged with shields, Gromil Shieldwall gives +1 parry save all rounds of combat.

- Cheap-Test special gyrocopters with pretty strong ranged weapon options (better than old copter) (43% cheaper and come with one use drop bombs like drop rocks and an option to vanguard up to half of gyrocopters rounded up)

- Hammerers with 2 attacks, for a good price. This. Is. Huge. We've wishlisted this for ages, despite it always seeming so... 'Wishlisty'.

- Ironbreakers got a slightly better [parry] save, as I'd hoped for years.

- Irondrakes are ridiculously amazing.

- Organ guns weren't nerfed into the ground as expected. In fact, they reportedly have increased range, with options to re-roll misfires and gain +1 to hit runes and other war machine runes.

- Heavy armour for our missile guys.

- Cheaper miners (ambushers for cost of warriors with great weapons).

- Ranger units of 5+ size, making ideal cheapo warmachine hunters and chaff fighters and come equipped with a bunch of stuff (warriors with great weapons, crossbows, throwing axes, shield option).

- Slayers have a fluffy beneficial rule allowing them to make an attack before they die.

- Shieldbearers give +2 armoursave, and +2 wounds extra.

- The stupid downside of oathstones is gone (can move with them and get gromil shieldwall parry save on eligible units on all sides with it)

- Runesmiths, cheaper and give MR1 and passing armour piercing to units. This is seriously awesome, and makes the damage done by str4 units better, especially when they charge and get str5.

- Daemon and dragonslayers with slayerpowers [built in other trickster’s shard and D3 multiple wounds, respectively, plus get to hit back as they die].

Special:

Hammerers

IronBreakers

Slayers

Cannons

Miners

Bolt Throwers

Grudge Throwers

Rare:

Organ Guns

Flame Cannons (fixed rules and can rune them)

GryoBombers (basically old mortar template wtih a bounce potential for second small template hit, plus multishot weapon, but cost a lot more)

Iron Drakes

This is summary from information previously posted, leaked pictures on Bugmans and elsewhere, and a couple of guys with access to demos of army book and their notes.

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[Шикарный Манул]

Can quarrelers still take great weapons? That's pretty important. Can you still make the 'unkillable dwarf Lord'? No way to buff the hatred roll at the start other than taking the mega-expensive Lord? Any good talismans?

1. Yes, all the Core have the option for Great Weapons, except for Thunderers.

2. Not really. You can give him a solid armor save, extra wounds, and a bit of either regen (5+) or a limited ward save, but no re-rolls.

3. Yeah, he's the only one, but seriously, he's totally worth the points. Unfortunately, around here, there aren't a lot of games that play high enough to use him.

4. The only straight up ward save item is runic; you can buy 6++, 5++, or 4++ saves, so you could spread around the ward saves if you wanted to spend the points. I don't think the costs are too bad for that. Spellbreaking and Spelleating are talismans. Dwarves also get the 2++ vs Flaming Attacks item from amongst the talismans, for pretty much the same price that every other army pays for it.

The Daemon Slayer has a built in Other Trickster's Shard (enemy re-rolls successful ward saves), and the Dragon Slayer has Multiple Wounds (d3) vs Monsters.

You said the book has loads of d3 wound weapons. Could you mention some?

Also, the rune of might is my personal favourite rune. How does it work in the new book?

1.

Gyrobomber bombs.

Flame Cannon

Cinderblast bomb (upgrade for Ironbreakers)

Trollhammer Torpedo (upgrade for Irondrakes)

Dragon Slayers (vs Monsters)

Cannon

Grudge Thrower (center hole)

Bolt Thrower

Multiple Runes of Fire

Multiple Runes of Might

Rune of Daemon Slaying (vs Daemons)

Rune of Dragon Slaying (vs Dragons, Multiple Wounds (2))

That's about it.

2. One Rune of Might doubles S vs foes of T5 of higher. Two Runes of Might does the same and also grants the Multiple Wounds (d3) vs those same targets. Three runes of might is not an option.

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[Шикарный Манул]

Would it be possible to put both the rune of disguise and rune of accuracy on an organ gun?

Actually, yes.

1) How many attacks to Ironbreakers have base?

2) Base cost of slayers? Can you still upgrade to Giant Slayers? Cost to upgrade?

3) Base cost of IB and Hammerers?

1. One

2. 6 slaves. Yes. 6 slaves. Though, such upgraded Giant Slayers can take a small number of Runic points, if you wanted to put them on a single wound model.

3. Both are 7 slaves.

Awesome, you are the man. Does the Rune of Balance (talisman) cost the same as a rune of spell-breaking now that it only works on a 4+?

Rune of Balance is 25 slaves. It costs twice as much as the Rune of Spell Breaking. The Rune of Spell Eating costs a little less than the Rune of Balance.

I kind of think a Rune of Spell Eating may be mandatory. Even a chance to get rid of a nasty I-test spell for the rest of the game is better than nothing.

can you tell us what the other heirloom items do?

1. Hammer that grants +3 initiative, and if you wound an opponent, they have I1 until the end of the combat phase.

2. Axe that grants re-rolls to hit and to wound against Orcs & Goblins and Skaven. Cause Terror against those opponents.

3. Armor of 2+ save and 3++ vs attacks of S6 or higher.

4. A horn that is one use only and grants all units with 6" the Devastating Charge rule til the end of turn. After using, that character causes Fear to High Elves, Dark Evles, and Wood Elves for the rest of the game.

5. Ring that grants a S4 breath weapon with Flaming Attacks.

6. Models in unit can re-roll failed to-wound rolls. (I like this one, but it's priced to be BSB only.)

Can we hear more about cinderblast bombs? (also i think you mentioned they were expensive.. )

The Cinderblast Bombs are OK. It's the Blasting Charges on Miners I think are too expensive. The Blasting Charges are one Slave per model, and they're one use only items.

The Cinderblast Bombs are not one use only; you are "assumed to have enough to last the whole" game. They're between 7 and 8 Slaves in cost. They work like a Stone Thrower with a range of 2"-8". They use the small blast marker. It's S3(6) with Multiple Wounds (d3). On a misfire, roll a die. On a 1, center the marker over the dude with the bombs. On a 2+, the bomb was a dud, and nothing happens.

ere stilla rune to protect yourself against poison and killing blow?

Nothing that makes you immune to either one. But, there is a 2+ ward save vs KB and HKB.

ich gives devastating charge? Is it very expensive? It means Hammerers can get up to 61 attacks on the charge now. Good lord.

Actually, the Horn isn't terribly expensive, but enough to limit other options for the character rather severely. It's a little less than 25 slaves.

Can bolt throwers still take a basic engineer upgrade to get ballistic skill 4?

Unfortunately not. They just have the potential to get buffed by a Master Engineer if one is nearby and wants to grant said buff.

Bolt Throwers are base 27.5 slaves. Pretty much every infantry type has a base Attack characteristic of 1, except for Hammerers. Slayers have the extra hand weapon.

Is there still a rune of brotherhood?

Nope.

Oh, I see the error.

Shieldwall gives +1 to Parry on the turn you're charged. Shieldwall of Gromril gives +1 to Parry all the time. The unit that has Shieldwall of Gromril does not also have Shieldwall, so doesn't get the benefit of both.

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[Forestwalk]

ну вот мои догадки по поводу органов похоже были верны

[Trigon85]

Так слеера в пластике будут нет (не слышно)? Или заказывать у аватаров придется?.. :?

[OldWorld]

Так слеера в пластике будут нет (не слышно)? Или заказывать у аватаров придется?.. :?

Не будет больше новых коробок, никаких новых слейеров-пушек-анвилов, трон только именному и т.д.

Надеюсь те, кто пророчили 7 пластиковых коробок гномам сгорят в аду :rolleyes:

[Trigon85]

<_< <_< <_< <_<

Да... маркетинг план супер у ГВ... отказвться от фейлкаста и металла, и тем не менее продолжают его втюхивать... эх... ну лан :rolleyes:

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[OldWorld]

Печаль в том, что всего 2 юнита новых добавили - гиробомбер и дрейков. Разнообразия не так много как у других рас, да ещё и анвил сделали таким, что скорее всего на полку.

Хотя арморпирсинг от рунного жреца отряду неплохо так... Хотя и ценой кубов развеивания.

Ну а поднимать ближний бой вармашинам от инжа - это мечта :love:

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[Magicman]

Для унтермешей можно на русском кратко что там ?

[Бернхард]

Для унтермешей можно на русском кратко что там ?

Принципиальные изменения:

- наковальню опустили;

- рунсмиты дают АП юнитам;

- реально крутые юниты - те, что идут в новых коробках :)

[White Boy]

@Гаррит - из очевидного пока:

Penetrating: Increases strength, can be taken twice. If on grudge thrower, affects both S values, as in x(y).

Accuracy: +1 to hit with BS shooting or re-roll scatter die

Forging: reroll misfire on artillery die (this is NOT one use only. The wording is you can reroll "whenever a misfire result is rolled.)

Все наше любимое на своем месте, формулировка форджинга - огонь )))

Organ guns are Rare. They had the range increased to 30". They are BS based, but roll two Artillery Dice to determine the number of shots. You only roll on the misfire table if you roll double-misfire. A single misfire halves the number of shots rolled on the other die. The Organ gun can take 50 points of Runes (it seems to me that this is a no-brainer place for the 25 point +1 to hit rune). It can use the BS of a nearby Engineer, and if the Engineer grants this buff to the gun, then it can also re-roll one of the Artillery Dice.

Это просто треш :D Даем с мастер-инженера БС органке (5) и +1 на ту хит от RoA - имеем на рендже в 30" комфортную аннигиляцию на 2+. Кидаем два артиллери дайса на количество хитов, при этом один из них (если выпал мисфаер) еще и можем рероллить :image042: У меня только один вопрос - можно ли туда вешать еще и Penetrating :D :D

Shieldbearers are still there. Grant +2 AS and +2 wounds. It's treated like a mount, but the Lord keeps his LoS! roll. He stays Infantry, so it appears that he'd be vulnerable to regular Killing Blow, though.

Неплохо-неплохо - звучит как 5 вундов - мы огры, ололо :D

Ring that grants a S4 breath weapon with Flaming Attacks

И потом еще подышать - мы же помним, что мы огры? ))

Armor of 2+ save and 3++ vs attacks of S6 or higher.

Вот это... вот это прям нужно смотреть, сколько стоит :)

Берни - ты чемпион аналитике имха :D

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[Trigon85]

Релиз в итоге вызывает недоумение, и смешанные чувства:

с одной стороны - мини красивые

с другой стороны, реально, имеем 3 новых бокса (хамереры/брейкеры/коптеры)

Никаких убер НЕХов, которыми укомплектованы все остальные расы - включая тенденцию - НЕХ + лорд/герой (за место всего этого есть 4 блистера)

Вывод ИМХО - придется докупать АоВ :image017:

ПС я не только за комфортные правила но и за "эстетическую" составляющую

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[Trigon85]

Тем временем 2 волна - видео (если боян) простите..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...p;v=vB8mMPHXL7M

[Бернхард]

Берни - ты чемпион аналитике имха

Ну, не пересказывать простыню текста же.

Есть гугл-транслейтор, если совсем плохо с английским.

[Шикарный Манул]

нововедений много .

ну есть несколько почти автовыборов , вроде руны грунгни на бсб и отряд длиннобородов .

Вот что пока не оч ясно нужен ли отряд брейкеров - все таки они могут носить стратегическое знамя (валайа или стабборн в 12")

[Aver]

2WhiteBoy - неизвестно, какая баллистика у мастер-инженера неименного. Может 4 - тогда органь выглядит все равно как ужасный полом, но на 3+. Хотя это не отменяет возможность на одну из органей повесь руну ПВО и вежливо попросить всех флаеров больше не беспокоить гномские порядки :)

Пирсинг с рунсмитов - это жутчайший полом. Для всего остального мира это 45очковый баннер, блин.

Интересно, какой кричатайп у наковальни?

[Шикарный Манул]

Интересно, какой кричатайп у наковальни?

Unique?

как ужасный полом, но на 3+

Суммарно стоить это будет немало - а многое подорожало и взять хочеться тоже очень многое

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[kastilio]

У Лонгов по прежнему гв или щит + хв?

[olkiar]

ээээм. вот то гномы вангарду рады. только его и обсуждают. в контексте - лезет ли сила еще и на орган ган;)

пока я вижу улучшенную версию углогномов:)

[Монгол]

У Лонгов по прежнему гв или щит + хв?

ага

[Шикарный Манул]

пока я вижу улучшенную версию углогномов

Чем улучшенную?)

Людям просто лень смотреть в сторону тех же майнеров - которые подешевели и могуть амбуш на 2+ со второго хода , или что рейнджеры теперь 5+

[olkiar]

да

большинство смотрят на: "че там с пушками/камнеметами? - подорожали, но с нами - хорошо. Че там с органами? смотрятся как имба? - дайте 2. вертушки? вау, у нас есть диверт. еще и быстрый, и стреляет зло. взяли."

а это ГНОМОХОЛМ!!!!

про возможность вангарда пока постов не заметил. как и восхищения.

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