Company of Heroes 2

[lordVigo]

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перезарядка 45 сек без потери мобильности.

Изменено 11 мая, 2015 пользователем lordVigo

[USSRxLANz]

Пока по сравнению с первой частью изменений не сильно много. В любом случае их возьму, в первой части я ими не наигрался.

[DarthM]

Пока по сравнению с первой частью изменений не сильно много.

Мне кажется, что уже достаточно изменений.

Рано о чем то конкретном говорить, но играться это будет явно по-другому.

Изменено 11 мая, 2015 пользователем DarthM

[lordVigo]

Слух:

Call in Heavy Vehicles (Tiger, Tiger Ace, Elefant, IS-2, ISU-152, Jagdtiger, Sturmtiger, KV-2)

> We are limiting Heavy Vehicles to a field limit of 1. We want the players to use the Heavy Tanks to support core units or have core units support the Heavy Tanks. We are anticipating this change will encourage players to spend their fuel on other units within their tech tree as it will be in-efficient to continue accumulating fuel. This also severely effects 3v3 and 4v4 games where players can see up to 12 Heavy Vehicles in a match.

> Limited to 1 on the field at a time

[Chasm Keeper]

Слух:

Call in Heavy Vehicles (Tiger, Tiger Ace, Elefant, IS-2, ISU-152, Jagdtiger, Sturmtiger, KV-2)

> We are limiting Heavy Vehicles to a field limit of 1. We want the players to use the Heavy Tanks to support core units or have core units support the Heavy Tanks. We are anticipating this change will encourage players to spend their fuel on other units within their tech tree as it will be in-efficient to continue accumulating fuel. This also severely effects 3v3 and 4v4 games where players can see up to 12 Heavy Vehicles in a match.

> Limited to 1 on the field at a time

Это будет офигительно правильное решение. Я сам брал доктрину у Советов с авторемонтом и ИС-2, после чего строил только Т2 и ждал 11 очков, после чего мог выкатить два ИС-2, а потом и третий ИС-2 с авторемонтом, это как бы не правильно. Против одного тигра можно воевать кучей Т34/76, но когда их уже два,то без шансов, поэтому Т3 можно строить у Советов, только есть доктрина с тяжем, что тоже не правильно.

[USSRxLANz]

Это будет офигительно правильное решение. Я сам брал доктрину у Советов с авторемонтом и ИС-2, после чего строил только Т2 и ждал 11 очков, после чего мог выкатить два ИС-2, а потом и третий ИС-2 с авторемонтом, это как бы не правильно. Против одного тигра можно воевать кучей Т34/76, но когда их уже два,то без шансов, поэтому Т3 можно строить у Советов, только есть доктрина с тяжем, что тоже не правильно.

В первой части к этому пришли уже в ОФ. Во второй надо было тоже потупить, чтобы к этому прийти, иначе, видимо, не доходило.

[Mr Carloff]

Tech Tree

Tech tree has been adjusted and reformatted to create more diverse and creative strategies with the faction. We felt the Soviet tech tree encouraged a very binary gameplay and created reliance on dispatch abilities. With these changes we anticipate players will be encouraged to explore new combined arms strategies.

T1 (160 manpower 50 fuel) Penals / M3 Scout Car / Sniper

No requirements

T2 (160 manpower 50 fuel) Zis AT Gun / Maxim / Mortar

No requirements

T3 (240 manpower 60 fuel and 170 seconds) M5 Halftrack / T70 / SU-76

Requires T1 or T2

T4 (240 manpower and 100 fuel) T-34-76 / SU-85 / Katyusha

Requires T3

General

We decided to increase the Werhmacht’s starting manpower to 420 to compensate for lack of starting base infantry. This should also give more options for Wehrmacht players to diversify their build.

Starting manpower increased from 360 to 420

Battle Phases

One of the Design Goals for the Wehrmacht was to give the faction flexibility in which they could tech. However, that was not the case due to the expensive nature of their battle phases. By offsetting the costs to the buildings instead of the upgrade it gives players an easier time to upgrade through battle phases.

Battle Phase 1 decreased from 200/45 to 100/40

Battle Phase 2 decreased from 200/55 to 100/45

Battle Phase 3 decreased from 200/60 to 100/50

Tech Buildings

Building 2 increased from 120/15 to 200/20

Building 3 increased from 160/25 to 240/40

Building 4 increased from 160/30 to 260/50

HMG

To encourage and diversify builds we have decided to move the HMG to the HQ. We expect this change will prompt more Werhmacht opening strategies.

Moved to HQ

Stug G

We found the Stug G was missing a clear identiy leading it to be a unit that was very underused. The changes we made will give the Stug G a role of a light tank destroyer.

Health increased from 400 to 560

Range increased from 50 to 55

Penetration increased from 110/120/130 to 170 / 185 / 200

AOE Penetration to match other tank destroyers profiles

Scatter Max reduced from 10 to 8

Radius reduced from 1.5 to 0.5

Reaction Radius reduced to 0.5

Distances adjusted to match other tank destroyer profiles

Stug E Call in

We felt the Stug E was over performing against infantry so we are reducing its rate of fire. We have also decided to bring its health in line with the Stug G

Reload increased from 3.8 to 4.8

Health increased from 400 to 560

[Chasm Keeper]

Ох блин, не прошло и двух лет, чтобы сделать М5, Т70 и Су76 в одном домике.

[DarthM]

Ох блин, не прошло и двух лет, чтобы сделать М5, Т70 и Су76 в одном домике.

Картонная фабрика прямо :D

[khulster]

HMG

Moved to HQ

Прелестно. Дадим немцам 420 манповера на старте и перенесем постройку пулемета с т1 прямо в штаб. Дайте я угадаю самый распространенный билд-ордер за вермахт после патча.

[lordVigo]

Надо щупать новый Т3, - 60 топлива, это ощутимо, примерно 2-3 минуты из 1*1. Т-70 сможет выехать раньше Лухса (170 топлива + гренки, что-то типо 6-7 минуты), или примерно так же, что будет создавать больше давления на карте, возможно, будет смысл играть через снайперов в Т-70 против флака, 222 и Лухса, в этот промежуток, 76 можно применение найти, но придется жертвовать другими отрядами, МП будет не хватать. А для командных игр все выглядит по печальней.

Изменено 12 мая, 2015 пользователем lordVigo

[Mr Carloff]

Прелестно. Дадим немцам 420 манповера на старте и перенесем постройку пулемета с т1 прямо в штаб. Дайте я угадаю самый распространенный билд-ордер за вермахт после патча.

Про дальность видимости пионеров вспомни... Его апнули.

[Chasm Keeper]

Картонная фабрика прямо :D

Да, все это гасится с пары выстрелов из пака, но теперь за счет стоимости Т3 в 60 топлива, а не 120, мы получаем бесплатный Т70, который очень самодостаточен за счет авторемонта, большого обзора и захвата точек + он может гасить легкую технику, включая рысь, ездить по тылам и тд. Или получаем Су-76, которая гасит легкую технику, может потрепать среднюю технику, имеет бесплатный арт обстрел, котором полезен против блобов или позиций с мг/паком. Ну и М5, который теперь можно и нужно строить, это решит проблему Советов при игре на больших картах. И самое главное, что у Советов не было своего пехотного ПТ юнита и это как бы ничем не компенсировалось, а теперь его отсутствие компенсируется доступом к нужной технике в нужное время.

[lordVigo]

Т70, который очень самодостаточен за счет авторемонта,

И который, по какой-то причине, иногда не чинит криты своей абилкой, и у нас здоровый Т-70 с выбитым двиглов на другом конце карты от инженеров. Хотя может это поможет:

- Engine Damaged critical can be repairde at 75% health.

Изменено 12 мая, 2015 пользователем lordVigo

[Mr Carloff]

"Every soviet soldier..."

British
Mortar, Bofor, and 17-Pounder Emplacement

We felt all Emplacements were much too cheap for its performance and much too durable. This made features like "Brace Structure" take a back seat when it was intended to be one of the core interactions you make with your emplacements.

Increasing cost of British Mortar Emplacement from 240MP to 380MP/30FU
Increasing cost of British 17-Pounder from 260MP/25FU to 400MP/75FU
17 Pounder AT Gun Emplacement health reduced from 1500 to 900
Bofor Emplacement health reduced from 1000 to 700

Infantry Section

We felt because of the build time and cost of the Infantry Section, the British had a difficult time early game establishing a foothold without having to build an Emplacement.

Cost reduced from 300 to 280 MP
Build time per entity reduced from 9 to 7

Bolster Infantry

One of our goals we’ve had for all faction is to increase the viability of all strategies. Prior to this change we saw lack of viability in infantry section openers. By allowing this upgrade to be enabled at the start players are now given an alternative choice to where they can invest their initial fuel.

British Bolster Infantry Upgrade now no longer has a requirement to have a platoon Command Post

Universal Carrier

We saw this unit severely underperforming in the damage dealing department. Also in order for this unit to get an early repair option before royal engineer it needs to gain veterancy. By increasing its damage we hope this will allow UKF players to get more aggressive early on.

Accuracy increased from 0.5 /0.55 /0.6 to 0.6 / 0.7 / 0.8
Damage Profile far increased from 0.25 to 0.35
Vickers K LMG Accuracy increased from 0.41/0.44/0.47 to 0.5/0.55/0.6

Air Superiority

We have made cost and cool down adjustments relative to this abilities power. We understand this might be an overnerf but we are testing out some extremes to understand where belongs and trying to encourage more creative use of other abilities in this commander.

Air Superiority cost increased from 175 munitions to 250 munitions. Recharge time increased from 360 seconds to 600 seconds


Werhmacht

General

We decided to increase the Werhmacht’s starting manpower to 420 to compensate for lack of starting base infantry. This should also give more options for Wehrmacht players to diversify their build.

Starting manpower increased from 360 to 420

Battle Phases

One of the Design Goals for the Wehrmacht was to give the faction flexibility in which they could tech. However, that was not the case due to the expensive nature of their battle phases. By offsetting the costs to the buildings instead of the upgrade it gives players an easier time to upgrade through battle phases.

Battle Phase 1 decreased from 200/45 to 100/40
Battle Phase 2 decreased from 200/55 to 100/45
Battle Phase 3 decreased from 200/60 to 100/50

Tech Buildings

Building 2 increased from 120/15 to 200/20
Building 3 increased from 160/25 to 240/40
Building 4 increased from 160/30 to 260/50

HMG

To encourage and diversify builds we have decided to move the HMG to the HQ. We expect this change will prompt more Werhmacht opening strategies.

Moved to HQ

Stug G

We found the Stug G was missing a clear identiy leading it to be a unit that was very underused. The changes we made will give the Stug G a role of a light tank destroyer.

Health increased from 400 to 560
Range increased from 50 to 55
Penetration increased from 110/120/130 to 170 / 185 / 200
AOE Penetration to match other tank destroyers profiles
Scatter Max reduced from 10 to 8
Radius reduced from 1.5 to 0.5
Reaction Radius reduced to 0.5
Distances adjusted to match other tank destroyer profiles

Stug E Call in

We felt the Stug E was over performing against infantry so we are reducing its rate of fire. We have also decided to bring its health in line with the Stug G

Reload increased from 3.8 to 4.8
Health increased from 400 to 560


Soviets

Tech Tree

Tech tree has been adjusted and reformatted to create more diverse and creative strategies with the faction. We felt the Soviet tech tree encouraged a very binary gameplay and created reliance on dispatch abilities. With these changes we anticipate players will be encouraged to explore new combined arms strategies.

T1 (160 manpower 50 fuel) Penals / M3 Scout Car / Sniper
No requirements
T2 (160 manpower 50 fuel) Zis AT Gun / Maxim / Mortar
No requirements
T3 (240 manpower 60 fuel and 170 seconds) M5 Halftrack / T70 / SU-76
Requires T1 or T2
T4 (240 manpower and 100 fuel) T-34-76 / SU-85 / Katyusha
Requires T3

DSHK

The DSHK which was currently underperforming as a heavier machine gun option for Soviets was given increase suppression as well as armor penetration to improve its utility against light vehicles.

AOE suppression modifier increased from 0.4 to 0.8
Penetration increased from 1.5/2/2.5 to 1.5/3/4.5

SU-76

The performance of the Su-76 was not meeting our expectations. We felt its biggest problem was its lack of define role. We decided to improve the stats of the SU-76 so it can serve as a light tank destroyer along with its tier adjustment. The SU-76 will still retain its versatility through the use of its barrage ability.

Health increased from 320 to 400
Penetration increased from 90 / 100 / 110 to 180 / 190 / 200

M5-Halftrack

The Quad performance was severely lacking compared to other AA / AI vehicles. We’ve adjusted the stats to bring it in line with other AA Halftracks.

Quad 50 Cal suppression increased from 0.003 to 0.009
Quad 50 Cal damage increased from 8 to 12
Improved AA capabilities to be in line with Flak-Halftrack & AA Halftrack

T34-85 Call in

We decided to take a different approach with Medium Call-ins and have them tie into the core tech tree. This will now require players to tech to acquire this medium generalist tank.

T34-85 no longer calls in a vehicle but now allows the t34-85 to be built in T4


OKW

Kubelwagen

We have decided to redesign the Kubelwagen to encourage different opening strategies. We’ve made the Kubelwagen the starting squad for the OKW and gave it the ability to capture territories. With this change, we expect players to get more agressive earlier and open up possibilities for an all vehicle starting build to be viable in competitive play. We increased its mobility slightly to allow it to escape unfavorable engagements.

Increase acceleration and turn rate
Delayed Suppression action and suppression from its mg34 pintle removed.
Health increased from 190 to 200
Can now capture territories and has a 10% faster capture rate
Is now the starting squad
Various weapon stats has been changed to support its new combat role
Fuel cost removed
Can no longer receive criticals other than a Death Critical

Shwerer Panzer HQ

We felt the OKW lacked a Generalist Tank and force them to play more defensive in middle and late game. With this change we anticipate the player could have more armor options than to save for an expensive Panther or King Tiger.

Sturmtiger removed from core tree added to Elite Armor Tree
Added Panzer IV Ausf G to the building

General

With the design change to the Kubelwagen and Volksgrenadier being move to the Battlegroup Headquarters we felt the OKW would require some more manpower at the start to allow for more flexibility in build orders.

Starting resource increased from 240 to 320

Volksgrenadiers

To reduce the amount of mass infantry strategies; we have decided to move the Volksgrenadier unit into the Battlegroup Headquarters. With the improved Raktenwerfer they should not have a problem deterring early vehicles.

Unit moved from HQ to Medic Truck

Sturm Pioneers

One of the biggest problems the Sturm Pioneers faced was the expensive manpower cost to reinforce. With the overall design changes to the OKW early game we wanted to make reinforcing Sturm Pioneers less penalizing on the player which will encourage their use in various builds.

Reinforce cost reduced from 40 to 32
Reinforce time reduced by 20%

MG34

Currently does the least amount of suppression and is not an effective crowd control unit. We’ve decided to increase the suppression so it can fulfill its role as a crowd control unit.

Suppression increase by 15%
Min / Max Bursts unified
Damage reduced from 4 to 2

Raktenwerfer

We found OKW had a difficult time engaging enemy armor with Infantry and Team Weapons. Panzershrecks were the only effective option which resulted in players using army compositions primarily based off of Volksgrenadiers with Panzershrecks. The Rakentenwerfer, because of its fragility would often just die before it was able to set up in a range where it could engage enemy vehicles even with support. By giving Raketenwerfers a toggle ability to camouflage we are anticipating it will give the OKW other options than to rely so heavily on Panzershrecks.

Now has a toggle ability that allows the squad to camouflage (Can move at 40% speed while cammo)
Veterancy bonuses adjusted to account for no camouflage now grants improved movement speed in camouflage

Sturmtiger

With the Sturmtiger's inability to do auto-fire this makes it very difficult to gain veterancy in its current form. We want to keep the Sturmtiger’s unit functionality and by reducing its veterancy requirements we hope to see this unit scale better into the late game. We also improved the useability of this unit by making its damage more consistent as well as improving its range.

Penetration increased from 150 to 1000
Range increased from 40 to 50
AOE Penetration increased to 1000
Damage at Far increased from 0.05 to 0.30


USF

Tech Tree

We made some slight changes to the USF tech tree which will allow them more flexibility in their teching choices. One of the main problems the faction had were their inability to use in-direct fire. We have decided to add a 60mm Mortar into the LT building as a soft in-direct fire option. Moving the AT-Gun to the HQ but requiring an LT or captain made a lot of sense in giving the USF a reliable choice to counter vehicles apart from rushing to Major.

AT Gun moved to HQ but requires LT or Captain
60mm mortar added to HQ Building.

50 Cal HMG

We felt the 50.cal HMG was lacking in damage at far distances. The increase in damage from far will allow it to threaten and deal damage to squads at farther ranges. .

Damage increased at far from 0.25 to 0.5

Stuart

With our goals to increase the usage and viability of light vehicles we found the Stuart was slightly under performing. As it is a very mobile tank that fires on the move quite frequently its previous accuracy and scatter values were set way too high to really make this unit combat efficient.

Health increased from 320 to 400
Moving accuracy increased from 0.5 to 0.75
Penetration increased from 45/50/60 to 45/50/65
FOW Scatter multiplier penalty reduced from 300% to 25%

Easy Eight Call in

We wanted to reduce the reliance of call-in strategies by making this a passive upgrade. We are anticipating this change will encourage players to explore the tech tree further.

Easy Eight is now a buildable Sherman Tank in the Major building and is available once the player has reached the required CPs and has the commander equipped.

Изменено 12 мая, 2015 пользователем Mr Carloff

[lordVigo]

Прям решили все глобально переделать, Вольки в мед бункере, стоковый 4 Пазик у ОКВ, 57 у обоих американских офицеров и дефолтный миномет, а главное, СУ- 76 имеет пушку 180 / 190 / 200, этож 50% на пробитие всяких Пантер с макс дистанции (да что Пантер, у КТ лоб - 375), этож копия СУ-85, только с меньшим уроном, и намного дешевле.

Изменено 12 мая, 2015 пользователем lordVigo

[Mr Carloff]

мы получаем бесплатный Т70, который очень самодостаточен за счет авторемонта

Нет, единственное, что мы получаем это потеря 60 аммо и 2 пак 40 или 2 ракетена для надежности от немцев. Ракетен стоит 270, но пробивает в лоб тигра. :)

М5 был бы хорош, но он стоит 240 мен павера...

[khulster]

а главное, СУ- 76 имеет пушку 180 / 190 / 200, этож 50% на пробитие всяких Пантер с макс дистанции (да что Пантер, у КТ лоб - 375), этож копия СУ-85, только с меньшим уроном, и намного дешевле.

Именно. При этом СУ-76 в 0 контрятся JPZ IV-ми, поэтому будет простор для маневра и тактики.

[lordVigo]

Именно. При этом СУ-76 в 0 контрятся JPZ IV-ми, поэтому будет простор для маневра и тактики.

Вот только теперь, они лопаются не от 2 попаданий, а от 3, как бы 400хп, сколько мы сможем их вывести, 3-4, они Ягдпанцер шьют в 78% случаев в лоб, в 3 ствола с уроном в 120, значит нужно 6 попаданий. Тут все неоднозначно, надо на практике смотреть.

Изменено 12 мая, 2015 пользователем lordVigo

[khulster]

Вот только теперь, они лопаются не от 2 попаданий, а от 3, как бы 400хп.

Это да, это ощутимо меняет расклад. Еще яга вроде видит подальше, поэтому за ней право первого залпа, как правило ну и стелс у нее отличный. С другой стороны они весьма дороги по бензину и построить 3-ри штуки практически нереально. Поглядим как оно. Но чую су-76 спам через индустрию заиграет новыми красками и приведет к мгновенному нерфу сушек.

[lordVigo]

Но чую су-76 спам через индустрию заиграет новыми красками и приведет к мгновенному нерфу сушек.

В тим геймах - возможно, а так боюсь банально МП будет не хватать. Еще один из +, 76 - самый скорострельный и шустрый ТД в игре.

Ситуация со Штурмтигром и Пазиком - первый раз когда Релики заменяют док. абилку, не переделывают, а именно заменяют, причем у той, которую они за мани продают.

Изменено 12 мая, 2015 пользователем lordVigo

[khulster]

Ох, а про кубель то я проглял. Ну трындец. Релики выдыхайте уже, а?!

[Chasm Keeper]

Нет, единственное, что мы получаем это потеря 60 аммо и 2 пак 40 или 2 ракетена для надежности от немцев. Ракетен стоит 270, но пробивает в лоб тигра. :)

М5 был бы хорош, но он стоит 240 мен павера...

Нуу, я всегда считал, что 60 аммо- это дорого,но если у немцев есть две пушки, значит у них меньше пехоты и меньше мобильности, тем более, что Т70 видит очень далеко. Я тут чисто по приколу играл через Т3 против двух ОКВ и сделал Т70, дык к концу игры у него было две звездочки, потому что я его не водил в лоб на ОКВшные избы, а в основном гасил наступающую пехоту, которая ввязывалась в бой с моей пехотой.

Главное, что они у М5 подняли показатели урона и подавления, потому что он вообще раньше никого прижать не мог, а урон наносил только в упор.

T34-85 no longer calls in a vehicle but now allows the t34-85 to be built in T4

Мощно!

[khulster]

Мощно!

Так с Е8 таже фигня. Их теперь строить нужно. Т.е. делаем т4, набиваем сколько нужно команд-поинтов и только после этого можем построить E8. Один плюс - за счет капитана можно сократить время постройки во много раз.

[lordVigo]

Мощно!

Это как бы не всем, а только доктринам с 85, так что это нерф.