Дарки

[GrumpyKir]

Модели второй волны:

Раваджер: тырк

Мандрейк: тырк

Геллион: тырк рожа фууу

Верховный Гоммункл Urien Rakarth: тырк

Скучный текст про правила:

Правила Лелит:

Lelith Hesperax is the ideal accompaniment to your Wych squads and she really is a walking weapon. With Weapon Skill 9 and 4 Attacks that ignore armour saves, plus an extra one for each point her Weapon Skill is higher than her foe's, Lelith can murder entire squads.

Правила Архона:

The metal Archon model has two variant heads and access to the Huskblade, which causes Instant Death on any model that suffers an unsaved wound, regardless of their Toughness.

Правила Рейдра:

To transport your Kabalite Warriors and Wyches into battle, you are going to need a Raider or four. The plastic kit is fantastic, easy to assemble and will get your Warriors into battle quickly; the enhanced aethersail upgrade also allows your Raider to move an additional 2D6".

Правила Риверов:

The Reavers box contains 3 unique Reavers and again the set has plenty of options including splinter rifles, heat lance and blaster. And if you are looking for speed then the Turbo Boost special rule allows you to move 36", which means you are immediately in the thick of the action.

Правила Инкуби:

The metal Incubi box set contains 5 models, but squads can be up to ten strong. They can be transported in a Raider and are armed with klaives, which are Strength 4 power weapons. (Тут все по старому походу, но теперь они идут в элиту, да и большего не надо)

Вот теперь я точно уверен, что кодекс будет как минимум веселый, а мне большего и не надо.

А с заказом ждем пока вторую волну + сравниваем цены.

Пока с вейленда получается дешевле, вот только не понятно пока что там с доставкой. Но там нет Лелит. На маелсторме есть вроде все. Будем разбираться.

Изменено 5 октября, 2010 пользователем DarkChromer

[Белоснежка]

это примерно 4 мара в ход если у неё сила 4....))

лишь бы ей дали что-то, способное защитить её от ответки, тогда враги получат по полной)

иначе (тело то все-таки голенькое) хреново

[GrumpyKir]

Думаю защитой будет какой-нить инвуль типа 2го или хотя бы 3го. ;)

А сила даже если третья повышается сто пудов. Ведь есть вариант миньки с большой палкой.

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Варсир

Nicked this from Dakkadakka. Few bits of new info. Thanks to Reds8n:

From Wargamer Au, Ta to Mr. Ronin..

Have had a good read through the new codex today and can confirm many things. Grotesques are still in, but are now BRUTAL. Dont think theres a model for them yet but they are ogren sized. They have littler cousins called wracks, which are still pretty decent, but nothing on the S/T5 3W monsters with FNP that grotesques are.

Jetbikes are still FA but get an even bigger turbo boost (36") and have even less armour (5+) on the plus side, they are actually good in combat now with pistol and hand weapon as well as their drugs. They also get to make D3 S4 hits PER JETBIKE on any unit they move over when turbo boosting, and this can be upgraded to D6. On the VERY down side, characters can no longer be mounted on jetbikes.

Scourges are now FA as well and have some awesome gear. They still deep strike and have jump packs, but now come standard with a assault 3 18" splinter weapon and can have heat lances (18" S6 AP1 Lance, Melta) thats right, you can now deep strike a squad with 4 lance/melta weapons!! And they have a 4+ armour save.

Hellions are all sorts of worthwhile now. Their boards have a special shooting attack that is (from memory) S5 AP4 assault 2 and their weapons are funky as well. Best of all, if you charge a unit with an IC in it, on a 2+ when you make your hit and run attack, they take that character with them and fight him on his own next turn!!

They do indeed get a fighter and a bomber, much in the vein on valk/vens but WAY cooler. They have aerial assault rules that mean they can move and fire all their weapons, they can also take a range of missile, my favorite of course being implosion missiles. Small blast, all models touched by it take a characteristics test on their wounds and if they fail it they die. INSTANT DEATH DIE!!! Brutal.

The talos is still in and comes kitted out to be even cooler, but more importantly comes with a smaller cousin, the parasite. Which is pretty decent in combat, great at shooting, and most importantly, if it causes wounds from shooting, gives pain tokens to nearby DE units.

This leads me neatly to pain tokens. If a unit wipes out a non vehicle unit, it gets a pain token. There are 3 effects from having pain tokens, with the 1st one you gain FNP. The 2nd you get gives you furious charge, and the 3rd makes you fearless. These effects are cumulative so can be awesome.

Even better, characters and units combine pain tokens. So a unit with one and a character with one would both count as having 2 if they joined. And Haemonuclus and a couple of other things come with one automatically.

Incubi are indeed now elites and have 2 attacks base, and their place as bodyguards has been taken by the 'Court of the Archon' which is a retinue like an inquisitors. There are many options in there for increasing the poison of your weapons, aliens with FNP and so on and so forth. Great fun.

Yes Wyches and Warriors have 'vamped up' versions that are elites, almost the same but all of them have LD9 and 2A and have options to take more special weapons.

Sadly disintegrators are no longer plasma cannons, they are S5 AP2 Heavy 3. Still nasty, but they were worse. On the plus side, ravagers are now allowed to move 12" and fire all weapons biggrin.gif

There are many MANY cool things you can do to these units but im not going into it all now, this should be more than enough to make people drool enough to start preordering. I know I have biggrin.gif

Cheers all, Ronin

Послесловие: с маэлстрома все удовольствие придет в середину декабря, если не позже. Бум думать.

Изменено 5 октября, 2010 пользователем DarkChromer

[Чучундра]

Кирыч, пиши, что конкретно тебя интересует. Посмотрю сколько будет стоить с ГВ. Как на вейланде появится - спрошу по чем там. Если там будет директ, то они только за счет доставки по божеским ценам смогут выиграть, т. к. сами коробки будут дороже. И что это за магазин такой, маэлсторм? www.maelstormgames.co.uk? А зачем пиратский то ждать? Если есть возможность - бери настоящий английкий и все тут. Потом пиратский русский почитаешь, посмеешься.

И вообще, какие шустрые петросяны, моих кризисов Кирычу уже присвоили. Когда придешь забирать? )))

Изменено 5 октября, 2010 пользователем dmitriy_grechishkin

[GrumpyKir]

Да хоть в выходной ;) .

Собственно Дарки уже везде появились. И на ГВ, и на вейлонде, и на маелстроме. Так что если не сложно посмотри сколько там обойдется. Интересует Кодекс и Лелит (которой на вейлонде нет). Я лишь знаю, что с маелстрома доставка будет безбожно долго идти, ибо они вышлют как раз в начале ноября (ну как я понял ^_^), гв же раньше намного и заказ можно ожидать в 20х числах ноября, но и стоит там дороже. Ну а на вейланде только Кодекс есть из интересующих меня пока вещей =)

А Кодекс я и так планировал брать. Ибо пока по "утечкам" армия получается очень веселой и неслабой. И ваще.

Изменено 5 октября, 2010 пользователем DarkChromer

[Чучундра]

Ссылки давай. Я Лелит только одну знаю - негритянскую бабу из жж Алексиз )

[GrumpyKir]

Это и это хочется. Но нужно подождать, когда в предзаказе станет доступен Уриен. Его б тоже хотелось.

Варсир (все сразу, лень выбирать):

Rules

Allows for Kabal, Wych Cult and Homunculus armies

All old units appear in this codex plus there are 3-5 new units

Army-wide special rules:

Night Vision - Acute Senses USR

Strength Through Pain – Most standard Dark Eldar Infantry units will have this rule, although some of the more out there ones will not. The unit gains an upgrade every time it wipes out an enemy unit (3 max). 1st Feel No Pain, 2nd Furious Charge, 3rd Fearless. ICs that join a squad combine their Pain Points with the squads.

Combat Drugs - Supposedly features mostly on Wych Cult units. Roll once. All units with the Combat Drugs rule get the same benefit. One result confers a free pain point. 12" Assault result is gone.

The "always attacker" rule is now gone.

Weapons:

Splinter Rifle 24" SX, AP5, Rapid Fire, Poisoned.

Shard Carbine 18" SX, AP5, Assault 3, Poisoned.

Splinter Cannon 36" SX, AP5, Assault 4, or Heavy 6 Poisoned.

Splinter Pods - an underslung weapon for the Hellions similar to the carbine

Blaster - Now 18" range

Disintegrator – S5 AP2 Heavy 3

Shredder - still in

Heat Lances - 18" S6 AP1 Lance, Melta

Special Characters:

There are 8 special characters, all are HQ choices:

Asdrubal Vect

Duke Sliscus

Urien Rakarth

Lelith Hesperax

Drazhar

The Decapitator

Duke Sliscus

Lady Malys (Vect's ex-wife)

Baron Sathonyx

One Special Character has some form of psychic defence

- Some FOC slots are subject to change -

HQ

Archon

WS/BS: 7 S/T/W: 3 I: 7 A: 3or4? Ld: 9 or 10? Save: 5+

Can take a wargear item the effect of which is that if he kills an enemy MC or SC in close combat he doubles his Strength to 6. If he kills another one, he doubles his Strength to 10. Can have a Blaster, or Blaster Pistol.

Can take a Huskblade - Power weapon that causes Instant Death.

Better at character killing.

Court of the Archon

Inquisitor style retinue for the Archon. Different members offer different bonuses.

Succubus

Generic Wych HQ. Better at infantry killing.

Asdrubal Vect

Can be taken mounted or on foot. It has been said his throne fits nicely in the spot where the sail goes on the new Raider kit. This implies no new model. Personally, I think the new kit would look a little silly without the sail.

Seizes the initiative on a 4+

Duke Sliscus

A corsair captain described as a nasty counterpart to Yriel. Supposedly not great at fighting but gives bonuses to the army.

Haemonculus

Comes with a free Pain Point (and therefore Feel No Pain)

Can be upgraded to a Haemonculus Ancient.

Drazhar

Stats are now supposedly identical to the Eldar Phoenix Lords.

Armed with Demiklaives

Special Rules:

Eternal Warrior

Apparently there's a strong indication that Drazhar is actually Arhra.

Lelith Hesperax

WS9 A4

Armed with Power Weapons

Has option for Impaler

Special Rules:

Recieves a bonus attack for every point her WS is above the highest opponent's WS in base contact with her

Does NOT have Combat Drugs (she's above all that)

Urien Rakarth

Gives out D3 Pain Points at the start of the game, which must go to Wrack or Grotesque units

Regains 1 wound at the start of each DE Turn

Can upgrade Grotesques

Elites

Harlequins

Identical to the Codex: Eldar entry

There is no, repeat NO Solitaire.

Mandrakes

5-10 Mandrakes

Have a shooting attack that gets stronger with every kill they make

Special Rules: Stealth and Infiltrate

Incubi

T3, S3, 2A 3+ sv

3-10 squad size. Incubus, Klavex

2 Attacks each.

Armed with Incubus warsuit (3+ sv) and Klaives (Power Weapons with +1S)

Bloodstone - As per Blood Angels Hand Flamers. It is unclear if this is an option or a standard bit of kit.

Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision and Power from Pain.

Klavex is a squad leader with WS5, A3 who can take Demiklaves, 2 smaller blades that either give him +2 attacks or +2S (both are Power Weapons). Klavex has the following special rules:

Onslaught: If a Klavex is in the unit, wound roll of 6 by Klavex or Incubus allows for bonus attacks, these cannot produce more attacks.

Murderious Assault: Klavex points at an IC and gains Preferred Enemy against that IC, can be done every assault phase

Kabalite Trueborn

LD9 and 2A

Have Sybarite stats. Armed with Splinter Rifle and Kabalite Armour. Dracon upgrade.

Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision and Power From Pain.

Options to take more special weapons

Elite Wyches

Proper name unknown but possibly Hekatrix Bloodbrides or Syrens

LD9 and 2A

Options to take more special weapons

Troops

Kabalite Warriors

Stats are the same. Armed with Splinter Rifle and Kabalite Armour. Sybarite upgrade.

Warriors get 1 Dark Lance (and likely other heavy weapons) per 10 models.

Can only take 1 special weapon regardless of squad size

Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision and Power From Pain.

Wyches

Stats are around the same.

Armed with: Close combat weapon, combat drugs, plasma grenades, splinter pistol, wychsuit.

Unit includes: Wych, Hekatrix, Hekatrix Bloodbride, Syren (all have different stats/options)

Champions still have the option for the Agoniser. Wych weapons are one per 5 models.

Special Rules: Fleet, Night Vision, Power from Pain.

Dodge (4+): Wyches have 4+ Inv save in CC

Wych weapons

- Shardnet and Impaler: Counts as 2CCW, every enemy model in base contact loses 1 attack to a min of 1

- Hydra gauntlets: Count as 2CCW that grant +D6 attacks instead of +1.

- Razorflails: Count as 2CCW, reroll to hit and wound.

Fast Attack

Reaver Jetbikes

T4, 5+ save, can Turbo-boost 36".

Reavers and Arena Champion

Armed with Wychsuit, splinter pistol, close combat weapon, combat drugs

Reaver Jetbike: +1T and 5+save, built in Splinter Rifle and 36" Turbo Boost

Have option to replace Splinter Rifle with weapons including Heat Lance.

Bladevanes: Turbo Boost over any number of units, select one unengaged, nonvehicle unit you have passed over. Each bike does D3 S4 AP- hits. Cover Saves allowed.

Cluster caltrops: As Bladevanes but does D6 S6 AP- hits. Only 1 in 3 may take this.

Grav-Talon: As Bladevanes, D3 S4 AP-, if target suffers 1 or more unsaved wounds it must immediately take a pinning test.

Special Rules: Night Vision, Power from Pain, Skilled Riders

Can perform a "fly-by" attack on enemy units without becoming locked in close combat.

There is no way to take these guys as Troops.

Hellions

Supposedly have hit and run

Skyboards have a S5 AP4 assault 2 shooting attack

Champion can take a special type of skyboard which can pull an IC out of its unit when using Hit and Run. This leaves him engages in Close Combat with the IC though.

Beast Masters

Ride Hellion Skyboards

Can take a total of 7 beasts per Beastmaster from three beast types:

Khymera - The old Warp Beast

Vodwing Flock - W5 5+ Invul, Rending

Clawed Fiend - gets better as it gets wounded.

Scourges

4+ Sv

Armed with with Shard Carbines, and Jump Pack

definitely have more weapon options.

Can supposedly take Haywire Grenade Launchers

Special Rules:

Deep Strike

Heavy Support

Ravager

Fast, skimmer, open-topped, AV 11 11 10

Armed with 3 Dark Lances as standard

Can fire all weapons after moving 12" and after Deep Striking

Grotesques

Apparently changed to Ogryn-sized creatures with S5, T5

Special Rules:

Feel No Pain

Apparently explode if "you leave them alone too long"

Wracks

Human-sized Homunculus constructs

Talos

Similar to what we have now.

Cronos

Weaker but cheaper Talos.

When it kills a model with one of it weapons you may choose a unit to add a Pain Point to. You can only get 1 point per weapon per Turn (3 max per turn)

Has 2 ranged weapons

Razorwing Fighter

AV 11, 11, 11

Skimmer

Can fire all weapons after moving 12" and after Deep Striking

Can take various missiles, including an Implosion Missile, which causes a, all models touched by the small blast marker to pass a test on their wounds stat or suffer Instant Death.

Voidraven Bomber

AV 11, 11, 11

Skimmer

Armed with 2 S9 AP2 Dark Lances and a S8 Bomb dropped along its flight path.

Can fire all weapons after moving 12" and after Deep Striking

Transports

Raider

Fast, skimmer, open-topped AV 10 10 10

Has upgrades for a 5+ invulnerable (not cover) save and another that gives an extra 2D6" movement.

Venom

Transport capacity 6

Despite the name, this is not a Harlequin dedicated transport.

Изменено 6 октября, 2010 пользователем DarkChromer

[MadGrakk]

Кирыч. Надеюсь и ты купишь Лелит и дашь Вадиму ее откопировать. Ибо все очень хотят Лелит =)

[GrumpyKir]

Я-то куплю, а вот на счет второго буду очень сильно думать =)

З.Ы. Да дам конечно.

Изменено 6 октября, 2010 пользователем DarkChromer

[GrumpyKir]

Покурил кодекс.

Первые впечатления - уныло... Рома, ты как на зло был прав...

Цены на самое любимое остались прежними (как и параметры в основном). Спец чары традиционно (в отношении дарков прошлых) играют чуть хуже обычных командников (мое имхо).

Естественно куча новых юнитов без минек/заменителей. Но тут гвшники переплюнули сами себя по-моему :)

Хотя думаю все равно кодекс потом приобрету. И пару спец чаров, ибо красивы черт побери.

Попробую составить ростера что ли...

Изменено 2 ноября, 2010 пользователем DarkChromer

[Белоснежка]

пока рано вопить об унылости. вот кирыч напишет ростер, поиграет, скажет что говно, мы скажем ему что он собрал говно, он ещё раз поиграет, потом на форуме напишут что кодекс - говно, потом я лично ростер напишу и сыграю, сам скажу что говно, потом на форуме кто-нить авторитетный скажет что кодекс - говно и только тогда кодекс станет оффициально говном. при любом другом раскладе кодекс [censored]о читерный и паверный.

а вообще имхо только сестры 100% способны это прибить с ходу, не вчитываясь в ксеносовские правила. но нужно слегка заточиццо))

Изменено 2 ноября, 2010 пользователем Калессин

[MadGrakk]

Правильно, все игроки за дакров говорят, что кодекс - гавно. И мы не должны отставать.

Кстати где взял? Я пока не находил

[GrumpyKir]

Из Паутины. Глупые людишки называют её интернетом.

Если найду еще раз ссылку - кину в личку.

[Lastman]

http://nnm.ru/blogs/vlad114/wh40k_dark_eldars_5th_ed/#cut

новая полная версия

[Killara]

Правильно, все игроки за дакров говорят, что кодекс - гавно. И мы не должны отставать.

Это должны делать игроки за дарков, а мы должны признавать его "читьнёй и пАломом".

[Белоснежка]

во-во, человек дело говорит

[GrumpyKir]

Новые миньки

Честно говоря уныло... Я надеялся, что выпустят Враксов следующими.

Бистмастер страшен как черт.

Зверьки унылы (Химеры еще терпимы, синий зверек вроде тоже интересен, но схема цветовая г :oops: но, про птичек молчу, тут я просто не понимаю за что деньги берут).

Суккуба ужасна.

Бида, бида. После удачного старта новая линейка миниатюр катится в тартарары...

Хотя куда деваться, использовать их хочется, придется брать будет...

Изменено 16 февраля, 2011 пользователем Chromer desu

[Heavy]

Суккуб няшка же!

А у синего зверька целых ШЕСТЬ СОСЦОВ!!! И почему его Блад Ангелам не дали?

[GrumpyKir]

Суккуб совсем не няшка же.

А сосцы да, не заметил.

[Heavy]

Ну, на вкус, на цвет - все фломастеры разные.

[BaKen]

По моему Heavy прав-Суккуб подходит тёмным по дизайну, а бистмастер-это да слово ругательное.

[GrumpyKir]

Ну, на вкус и цвет же :3

Хотя может быть если оставить одно оружие, то что-нибудь дельное и получится. А так - бяка.

[Killara]

Как у нас тут всё тихо, мирно и дружелюбно. Душа радуется.

А я сейчас из раздела покраски FB миниатюр - бррр, просто шёрстка дыбом.

[GrumpyKir]

Новая порция нышных няшностей

Скорджи шикарны. Надо будет потестить их.

[GrumpyKir]

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