Переиздание скавенов (Skaven)

[Stainer]

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вроде как, фурнэйс и колокол больше не чариоты.

[Бернхард]

Ещё одна порция подробных слухов. Часть повторяется, часть добавлена/исправлена.

Hey everybody. I thoroughly read the army book today and (regardless what has been spoiled) I will just quickly run over the details to let you take part. To dismiss the thought I might act on rumors I have READ it. And if you don't

Belive me your own fault ^.^ If my terminology isn't correct please just overlook it. I read te book in german and don't know how some of the stuff is named in english.

Army Rules:

- LD bonus for Ranks the same

- +1 Fleeing distance the same

- NO more shooting into close combat (unless under special circumstances but I'll come to that)

- NO more choosing who goes back after refuesed challenge, your opponent does that now as usual

- "Command from the last rank" is still there but you may not move back tere frequently any more. Only after refused challenges

- It's not exactly an army rule but all templates in te book auto hit partly covered models also

- no more total power on 13

Lords:

Rat Daemon:

- Point cost around aother greater deamons

- Profiles M8 WS8 BS0 S6 T5 W5 I(something high don't remembre) A5 LD8

- Rat deamon: May not join units

- Level 4 Wizard who can use any of the two skaven lores

- His blade does D3 wounds

Warlord:

- pretty much the same except:

- may ride a tamed rat ogre now (Tamed Rat ogre has M6 WS3 BS0 S5 T5 W4 I3 A4 LD4(I think) causes fear)

Grey Prophet:

- Now has LD7, carries D3+2 Warpstones, may ride a Screaming Bell (more about that later), may use both skaven lores

Heroes:

NOW it gets interesting

Chieftains:

- pretty much the same. No carry heavy armor as a basic and AST still allowes shilds and stuff but aside from that pretty much the same

Warlocks:

- Base cost is the cost of three old clanrats (Yes you'rereading right they are THAT cheap)

- may become a wizard making im as expensive as usual (no cheap caddy sorry) and an extra level for usual costs

- uses the lore of doom

- may get a warpstone musket (like a musket but with S5, magic and instable rule) for cost of an old storm vermin

- may buy a warpstone weapon (then has 2A S4) but its somewhat expensive

Plague priest:

- old stats, but costs more

- Level 1 Wizard as he comes

- may become level 2 as far as I recall

- old options

- may ride a plague steed (40mm base steed 1W S4 WS3 1A poison)

- may ride a wheird plague thing. I don't for all the warpstone in the world know how its named in english so I'll call in weird Plague Thingy :P

Asassin:

- YES he's a hero choice

- Old stats

- a little more expensive than old one

- ASF, 4+ dodge save

- all old rules plus Outflanking rule (may be put in reserve like tunnel teams and then enter over any table edge as if he had chased an enemy off the table)

Core units:

Clan Rats:

- little cheaper but no shields

- may get shields and7or spears for 1/2 point (YES, DON'T ASK 1/2 point as in the half of a point)

- may be accompanied by one of the following: Rattling Gun, Warpflamer, Thingshredder, Plague Mortar

- NO MORE Moterunits (you don't need one unit of clan rats for every other unit)

Skaven Slaves:

- same stats

- dispensible PLUS you may shoot into close combat as long only slaves are in there on your side

- desperate Frenzy: when slaves are broken in combat they deal D6 S3 hits to EVERYBODY closely arround them +1 hit per rank of the slaves and are then removed from te table

- musician is 2 points

Night Runners:

- are NOT skirmisers any more, they now rank and file

- come wit throwing stars and additional handweapons as a basic but are slightly more expensive

- may buy a Tunneling machine which allows them to tunnel like... well like everything that tunnels in warhammer

- have a 6 inches scout movement before game starts

Storm Vermin:

- little cheaper

- same accompany rules as Clanrats

Giant Rats:

- Same same except:

- May now attack from two ranks

- may now buy a master moulder (Yes he's nolonger a hero)

Poison wind globers:

(NOTE: I don't remebre if they are still core but I think so)

- now 5+ unit size

- same weapons as before

- "life is worthless" rule which allows them to throw into any close combat like old times and EVEN into their own as long as the trowing modelitself isnot in contact wit te enemy

Rat Swarms:

- now cost only half an old rat ogre and are FINALY worth taking

- no more poison attacks

Special:

Plague monks:

- same stats

- NO poison attacks, that was a bogus rumor

Jezzails:

- old rules, BUT:

- lost skirmisher rule

Rat ogres:

- now frenzy

- you only need one moulder but may buy more

- may buy a master moulder

- may become elite rat ogres. They are then a little more expensive than the old ones but have WS4 I4 4A

Gutter runners:

- poison wepons are now REDICIOUSLY expensive, I have NO clue why they would do that

- now have throwing stars as a basic

- same cost

- may Outflank the enemy like asassins

- have 6+ dodge save (champion even 5+)

- may buy a tunneling device but its expensive

- champion may buy smoke bombs and/or blase of tears (Yes THE blade of tears) (see Items)

PLague Censer Bearers:

- same rules

- special now

- 2A base PLUS frenzy

Rare:

Rat Abomination (or whatever it is called in english):

M3D6 WS3 BS0 S6 T5 W6 I4 AS LD8

- stubborn, terror, large target, regeneration

- move 3D6 like a chaos spawn BUTT if you role three similar numbers the rat spawn either goes braindead, runs havoc or mutates

- makes special attacks like a giant: 1-2 S6 hit for every model in base to base with no AS and D3 wounds, 3-4 it does 3D6 attacks with normal WS and every unit suffering a casualty hits the abomination on

-1 this turn, 5-6 Every model in BtB must make a I check or suffer a S6 hit with no AS AND the abomination deals 2D6 hits to a unit of choice like a jumping giant

- "to weird to die" rule: When its wounds drop to 0 roll a D6 at end of turn, 1-3 the abomination is realy dead, 4-5 it bursts into D3 rat swarms you may controll, 6 it revives with D6 wounds

- you may buy magic resistance (1) and magic attacks for a few points

- slightly more expensive than a giant

Warplightning gun:

- same stats

- now shoots like a cannon except the S is still random like before and at the final point youplace a small template which has the same strength as te shot

Plague Thrower:

- a little over 100 points I think

- crew has D6 attacks and does NOT frenzy

- shoots like a mortar except with S2, no AS allowed and a funnier miscast chart

Doomwheel:

- moves like a chaos spawn

- does D6+1 impact hits (but is NOT a chariot)

- get only D3 S4 hits when moving trough rough terrain (but D6 S10 when colliding with impossible terrain)

- when it doesn't charge it does D3 impact hits

- crew 6 S2 attacks

- unless you do a succesfull LD check it MUST fire warplightnings at te nearest unit within 18 at random strength like warp lightning gun and D6 wounds

- very funny missfire but I'm to lazy to write that now, lets just say it can lose movement and whenever the wheel moves 0 inche sit just tilts over and is a casualty

All the weird stuff I didn't mention till now:

Weapon teams:

- now ALL have heavy armor and a 4+ save when within 3 of their mother unit

- are ALL move or fire

Rattling Guns:

- same as befor but now need to hit like normal beeings ^.^

Warpflamer:

- same, but remembre the template rule I mentioned before *evilgrin*

Thingshredder:

- REALY weird vehicle, does artelery dice hits S4 at I4 in CC and on missfire may turn havoc

Plague Mortar:

- shoots like a stone trower but may use the LOS of his mother unit, his template wounds on 4+ (5+ if you are clan pestilance or partially covered) with no AS

Master Moulder:

- M6 WS5 BS3 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 LD6

- may carry one of the following:

whip: may make one attack from back rank

electric whip: may make D3 attacks fromback rank

Thinghunter: killing blow

strange moulder weapon: uses two hands, ignores armor saves

Screaming Bell:

- now gives itself AND the prophet on top 4+ ward save

- rings on S5 hits already but only with 1D6

- no mor 2 power dice through te bell

- only clanrats and storm vermin may push it

- old pushing rule

- unit that pushes it is Unbreakable

- you may ring the bell with 1D6 in the first round and 1-3 D6 in later rounds

- slightly more destructive misscasts but bell rings on a tripple number (before it blows up)

EFECTS (I'm not 100% shure about the range of te numbers but the effects are accurat):

1: Nothing, the hit was too weak

2-4: pusing unit MUST move D6 straight forward (may attack this way)

5-8: all skaven within 12 may reroll all failed moral checks for 1 round

9-10: casts the spell "scorch" on Power level 5

11-12: D3 wounds to all T7+ units and structure witin 12 crumbles on 5+

THE BIG 13: all enemy units within 12 recive D3 S4 hitswith no AS and in the pushing unit EVERY model counts as in BtB wit EVERY enemy model they are in CC with and may attack this turn XD

14-15: All Skaven Units in 12 gain +1 A

16: all Skaven units within 12 may reroll failed to hit and to wound rolls in close combat

17: ALL Skaven units within 18 gain +1A and may reroll all failed to hit and wound rolls in close combat, all Skaven units within 12 MUST move D6 straight forward like in 2-4 and structure witin 18 crumbles on 4+

18: RAGING APOCALYPSE: The Bell blows up so specteculare, that EVERY MODEL witin 4D6 inches recives a S4 hit with no AS

The weird Plague tingy:

- pushed an as big as a screaming bell

- has a Breath weapon tat wounds on 4+ wit no AS

- additionally to the riding priest it has 6A and frenzy S3 from the crew (so 7A)

- Leaks fumes that work just like a plague scenser but STACKS with the one the priest may carry, so 2 T checks (Hi Elves :P)

- makes the pushing unit stubborn

- in CC it can eiter leak furter fumes that are randomly devided betwen the units or cause artelery dice S5 hits (which are also devided like shooting)

Magic is like rumored so I'll just quote it

Quote

Magic:

Lore of Ruin

#1: Skitterleap, 5+

#2: Warp Lighting

- only D6 hits, though if you take the Warp-power Accumulator it adds +2 hits (a 1 is still one hit on the caster)

- apparently still the default spell most of the time

#3: Howling Warpstorm, 7+

- stops flying

- enemies get -1 BS

#4: Death Frenzy

- Frenzy with +2 attacks rather than +1 (replaces normal frenzy if the unit is already frenzied)

#5: Scorch, 11+

- place 3" template within 24", models hit (even if only partially covered) suffer a Strength 5 flaming hit

#6: Crack's Call

- draw a line 4D6" from the caster, all models hit must pass an Initiative test or be removed. Chariots and war machines are removed on a 5+

Lore of Plague

#1: Pestilent Breath, 5+ to cast

- only Strength 2, otherwise as before

#2: Poisoned Gift

- friendly unit within ?" gains Poisoned attacks for the rest of the game. If it already had poisoned attacks, they now poison on a 5+

#3: Wither, 8+

- an enemy unit within 12" suffers -1 Toughness for the rest of the game (unknown if multiple castings are cumulative)

#4: Vermintide, 8+

- appears to be the same as before

#5: Foul Cloud

- may affect all units within 12" (enemy units are affected on 2+, Clan Pestilence on a 5+ and other Skaven on a 4+)

- affected units take D6 S5 hits with no armour save

#6: Plague, 12+

- as before

Grey Seers only

#13: Curse of the Horned Rat, 25+ to cast

- can only target US1 infantry

- causes 4D6 Wounds to the enemy unit with no saves allowed. If the unit is wiped out, it is replaced by an equal number of skaven (clanrats?). If it does not cause enough Wounds to wipe out the unit, no skaven are produced (it is assumed that they are slain as they mutate)

Only thing I got to add is that yes Wither stacks. YOu can cast it multipletime on the same unit. And yes you can pull a units T down to 0 with it.

Plaque is a little different as it only backfires on a 1.

And all Grey Prophets may exchange one of their spells for the big spell. It's actually called "The horrible 13th spell" I think and it doesn't deal 4D6 wounds it removes 4D6 models from play. And if all are slain you get as many Clanrats as you have slain models.

Magic Items:

BasicStuff:

The weapons are surprisingly overpriced, rest as usual

Weapons:

Grimmblade:

- Same as before but forces enemy to reroll Ward saves

Somethingtoot:

- Ignores Armor saves (but too expensive)

warpstone Weapon:

- +1 A +1 S

Blade of Nurglitch:

- +1 S and does 2 wounds per hit but on a double 1 the bearer loses two wounds himself

Weeping blade (I called it baled of tears a few tiomes in te text but you know what I mean):

armor piercing and does D3 wounds (but isnow cheaper)

Dwarfhater:

- +1 S and ignores AS of dwarfs

Blade of the Plague:

- wounds reduce T by 1 but VERY cheap

Armor:

Warstone armor:

- same but only for warlock techs

Armor of rust:

- same effect, new name, cheaper

Carefull shield:

- enemies in Btb lose 1A

Charms:

Talisman of the rat:

- 5+ Ward save, just a new name

Pot of smoke:

- -1 to hit with ranged attacks against the unit

- forgot two maybe I'll remeber later

Arcane artifacts:

Warpstorm scroll:

- same as before

Warpstone accumulator:

- generates a power die on 5+ and adds +2 to warplightning hits

I think there was one more but once again I forgot

Prophetic globe:

- very cheap, ignores first wound but bearer becomes stupid after that (as he desperately shakes the globe hoping for more miracles or guidance)

Warpstones:

-same as befor but more expensive

Enchanted Items:

Skaven Brew:

- may be given to a unit as the old one but:

1 goes wrong

2-3 franzy

4-5 hatret

6 death frenzy

Skalm:

- recovers alllost hitpoints for self or ally (is a little cheaper now)

Howling pipe:

- whoever wants to charge te bearers unit must pass an LD check or may not charge

Something wretched:

- all units in BtB with the bearer gain -1 LD

Clan Eshin only Items:

Warpstone throwing stars:

- same same

Hellbombs:

-Now THATS cool. The bearer may plant it after moving as long as he'snot in CC or sooting (even after marching). Its a small template. Te bearer may blow it up anytime except the turn he planted it and as long as e's in te explosion radius. Whhen triggered it blows up on a 2+ (on a 1 it was a fake). all models NOt under the centerrecive a S3 hit, te model under the center recives S6 D3 wounds

Smoke Bombs:

- enemy chases 1D6 less (VERY CHEAP)

Clan Scryre only:

Bronze Globe:

- same same

Warpscroll:

- Now does only S2 hits to every model at power level 3 but ignores AS. No more auto panic.

Devestator Rocket:

- One use only, you may roll betwen 4and 10 D6 and chose a direction. That number in inches is the point the rocket hits. it has a5 inches template. ALl models hit suffer a S5 hit (S10 D6 damage under the center)

Warlocks okular:

- warlock gains +1 BS and ignores interverning terrain and units for shooting

Clan Moulder only:

(see master moulder)

Plague Clan only:

Deathwind Globe:

- same same

Banner of unoly frenzy:

- one use, the unit may reroll to it an dto wound rolls this turn

General Banners:

Banner of the horned Rat:

- Enemies within 12 gain -1 LD and enemies in Btb must reroll succesfull morale checks

Storm Banner:

- last for only one round and skaven range attacks are unaffected

- storm vermin and Plague monks may carry it now

Banner of the Horde:

- +1 combat resolution

- +w3 combat resolution instead when you have more ranks than te enemy

Banner of the Rot:

- Causes T tests just like a plague scenser

Banner of crawling rats:

- Units in Btb suffer S3 hits during shooting phase and if the unit is broken in close combat all chasing units suffer an additional D6+2 S3 hits

Banner of the Underground war:

- The unit hates Dwarfs and Dwarfs hate them

Banner of the shadow move:

- One use, The unit may tripple its movement when marching but suffers 2D6 S3 hits

And then there was the Extra stuff:

Some characters or Champions may buy one of those options:

Warpstone Rifle: Like musket but S5, Magic and instable

Warpstone pistol: Like Pistol only Magic and unstable but warlocks have in automaticly now i think

Tail weapon: THe character gains 1 additional S3 attack wit no weapon special rules applied

Poisoned weapon: Character has poison attacks

Guarding rat: A small rat guards the Character. Its grants one additional S3 WS3 I4 attack but on a 1 it bites its owner

Special Characters:

Tanquol:

- most obvious one of all pretty much the same as before

- now only has D6#3 warpstones and heals onlyon 5+

- may NOT ride a screaming bell any more

- bone breaker now can't shut down on a 1 and has a normal warp falmer with 1 shotnot a breat weapon

Skrotz the mutant:

- his waeponnow has only killing blow against normal targets BUT does D3 wounds against anything with US 3+

- when feeing or marching he may eat a random dude from his unit (even a rat ogre if your unlucky ^^) or he loses regeneration and 1 wound

- still has whip frenzy

Squik the headhunter:

- carries a warstone armor and a blade tet wounds dwarfs on 2+ and rerolls failed hits and wounds

- in a challenge he gets so agitated that he get +1 to hit and to wound but may not refuse challenges

Ikkit claw hand:

- has S6

- may exchange his spells for warp lightning instead of skitterleap

- his warplightnings do artelery dice hits and if you role a misscast at least something funny happens XD

- has a 3+ save against magic I think

Lord Skrolk:

- most expensive of the lord chars

- is a level 3 wizard

- pretty tough

- carries some advanced plague censer

- may use his wand on a unit within 18 with power level 6: Roll a D6 5-6 every model in the unit recives S2 hit with no AS, on a 2-4 every model in the unit recives S1 hit with no AS, 1 the unit babbles confusing stuff but this has no effect on the game

Snikch the master asassin:

- is a hero

- has all asassin ruels (dodge, ASF, Outflank, hide)

- I 10 WS 8

- Cloak of night: every enemy must roll a 4+ to attack him, charge himor shoot at him BUT he doesn't block march movement and yu may move through him

- Whirl of tears: With his blades of tears (usual rueles) he has 6A

Some fuzzy guy protected by a lot of rats:

- don't remebre much about him, he has D6+2 additinal attacks S2 and some weird moulder rule

- just remembered he can mutate rat Ogres so they randomly can gain extra arms, regeneration or have something else happening to them.

somethingsomething the dirty:

- is a hero

- his unit fights so dirty they may reroll failed to hits and wounds while in the flank or the back of an enemy

- he has a 4+ ward save and may reroll one roll per game

- he may bail anytime. Roll 3D6. You may place him in any clanrats or stormvermin unit within that distance. If there is non he just runs away and is a casualty

THat's it from me. The spelling mistakes can kiss my ass now sorry for the strong language . Hope you all enjoyed it.

[Крысоводъ]

Э-э-э, а где читня?

Как-то странно все это - хтх не подняли, стрельбу порезали, дали какие-то невнятные рандомные штуки. Хотя знамена на уменьшение лидерства могут помочь в хтх, но нет нормальных базовых комбатных героев. Лично мне покка не нравится.

[Бернхард]

Э-э-э, а где читня?

Куча автохитовых шаблонов с no AS не катит?

[Stainer]

Это слухи из Германии, как и те, которые мы видели ранее.

На этот раз ребята, провели с книгой больше времени.

[Бернхард]

И с английским получше :)

[Крысоводъ]

Куча автохитовых шаблонов с no AS не катит?

Не катит и не гипотенуза. Сила 2-я (или вообще 1-я). К тому же хрен знает, сколько это стоит.

[Stainer]

Итак, написав товарищу сообщение в личку, получил ответ.

Выяснил, что компиляция - из хобби центра в германии, где персонал попалился и дал почитать армибук, своим друзьям.

Говорит, читал книгу более часа, переписывая многое на бумажку.

Список того, что я уточнил, по клану пестиленс:

Монахи дешевле на 1 очко уже с 2 оружиями.

Ценсоры вместе с монахами жрут 1 слот спешал.

Ценсоры, все тоже самое за 14 очков, с 2 атаками +1 за френзи.

Сам ценсор: флэйл, тафнес тест всем в базе.

Плагуй фурнэйс 150 очков.

Место которое он занимает считается к рядам.

Стреляет огнеметом, на 4+ вунда без армор сейва, все кто хоть чуть-чуть задеты - ЗАДЕТЫ!

Юнит монков с ним, стубборн.

Команда делает 7 атак с 3 силой.

Все враги в базе, тафнес тест (он долбит отлично от теста приста = 2 теста!, фурнэйс задевает 5 моделей, прист 3).

В рукопашной арт кубик хитов как от стрельбы с 5 силой.

НЕ чариот!

Плагуинское знамя, которое дает переброс на хит/вунд 1 раз, стоит 35 поинтов (перебрасывает весь юнит, тоесть и фурнэйс и прист и т.д.)

Изменено 9 октября, 2009 пользователем Stainer

[pasha676]

магия и стрельба ухудшается - но разнообразие похоже появляется.,

если честно армия набирает еще больше нестабильности чем то начинает походить на гоблу. мне это нравиться. Турнирные игроки похоже будут материться. Впрочем Накатан уже материться.

вопрос по варплайтинг спелу

apparently still the default spell most of the time

это каст несколько раз? Наш ответ на спам вампиров?

2Stainer

Чумные ребята походу зарулят

Изменено 9 октября, 2009 пользователем pasha676

[Guu]

магия и стрельба ухудшается

Вы внимательно читали веапон тимы и магию?

[Stainer]

Паш, походу это переводится, как "скорее всего, будет использоваться как дефаулт спел, как раньше"

[Бернхард]

Вы внимательно читали веапон тимы и магию?

Вот мне тоже кажется, что не читали.

[Mity]

А мне нравиться

#2: Poisoned Gift

- friendly unit within ?" gains Poisoned attacks for the rest of the game. If it already had poisoned attacks, they now poison on a 5+

[pasha676]

2Guu

Читал но походу еще не осознал всего величия.

А мне нравиться

Ага. Если еще +1 атаку сделать (колоколом или спелом), да по 7 в ряд.... 28 атак с ядом на 5+. мнака-мнака.

Только тогда надо походу вся магию такую подбирать.

Цензоры тоже пока радуют.

[Шикарный Манул]

читали веапон тимы

А что там кроме мортиры интересного?

[Бернхард]

А что там кроме мортиры интересного?

Огнемёт и самотык.

[BigCat]

ацкая сотона какая-то

[Guu]

А что там кроме мортиры интересного?

А что-то еще надо?

Рисковые могут играть огнеметом, осторожные парни будут на 60 дюймов стрелять.

[Шикарный Манул]

А что-то еще надо?

Мне - ничего) Мне кодекс и так оченно-оченно нравиться и без стрельбы.

Но общественность негодует что дракона и ЛДП теперь придёться убивать не стрельбой. Как я понял вунды от мортир не мультиплицируються.

Огнемёт и самотык.

Оченно прямые руки надо иметь, и скорее для веселья оные девайсы.

Изменено 9 октября, 2009 пользователем Шикарный Манул

[BigCat]

SAD никуда не делся, но стал сбалансированнее. А вот колокол, :oops:, напрягает реально

[Шикарный Манул]

SAD никуда не делся

Позволю себе несогласиться.

Любой адекватный летающий монстер уйдёт из арки джизов на раз два.

Пушку нёрфанули. Про ретлинги вообще молчу.

Новые замечательные пестиленс вармашины борються с тем с чем крысы и так умеют)

Что радует то что крысы теперь устойчивей к психологии и хтх.

[pasha676]

короче пока меня не впечатлили веапон тимы. мортирка - да интересная. но пока непонятна дальность и цена - картинка не складывается в голове.

колокол нравиться.

как можно скастовать 13-ый спел не представляю.

[Шикарный Манул]

и цена

65-70 вроде

ак можно скастовать 13-ый спел не представляю.

^_^ обожравшись варпстоуном) спел для френдли игр имхо.

[Бернхард]

как можно скастовать 13-ый спел не представляю.

Варпстоун токены.

[Guu]

Любой адекватный летающий монстер уйдёт из арки джизов на раз два.

Смотря куда уйдет. Если в ренж думвила, ретлингов, глобадьеров - то может об этом и пожалеть.

Я вижу одно - у скавенов появилась дальнобойная стрельба кроме жизелей, у которых кстати вроде как нет верхнего капа в отряде теперь.

Пушку нёрфанули. Про ретлинги вообще молчу.

Безлосовость убрав? Зато ренж теперь больше.

Лично меня очень пугает обилие шаблонного оружия и магии в листе вкупе с правилом "автохит на задетых".