Codex Space Marines is Next part2

[DenisV]

конкретно пальцем ткни, пожалста.

вот прямо в правиле instant death и прописано, как ни удивительно. стр. 16

[n0m0reTrust]

именно лиса или кэлгара.

это как купить шевроле камаро и в держать его в гараже :D :D

[Bersserker]

конкретно пальцем ткни, пожалста. Чуть что лукаут 2+, они конечно слоу энд пурпосфулл, но и передвинуть раненого тоже возможно, не Лиса же к этим валенкам садить

Нафиг присоедитнять ударно-штурмового перса к сапортному отряду? Садите их в руину,6 2вундовых пятитафновых персов в руине или аэгисте никто не грохнет.

[frei]

А никак,судя по всему.Бери 3 модельки по цене 20,и надейся,что у оппонента будет высокотафновая,многовундовая,низкосейвовая тварюшка и даже не одна

Ну, демоны, ХСМ, тау, ГК... Уже неплохо. Монстра как правило имеет 3+, а то и 2+.

[Тюрьминатор]

Садите их в руину,6 2вундовых пятитафновых персов в руине или аэгисте никто не грохнет.

А мне почему-то кажется, что тот же риптайд под игнором кавера окупится за один залп, если хитанет. =)

Ну и это, 6 таких двухвундовых моделек с гравипуками и ракетами - это на минутку 540 птс.

Изменено 14 августа, 2013 пользователем Бугагашк М00дерашк

[sidestep]

компиляция с БОЛСа.

BLACK TEMPLARS CHAPTER TRAITS:

A Black Templars army may choose one of the following:

"Accept any Challenge, No Matter what the Odds" - Gain the ability to re-roll To-Hits rolls, and gain the Rending USR when you're in challenges.

"Crusaders" - Gain the Adamantium Will and Crusader USR's.

The Black Templars retain their current Ally Matrix.

The Black Templars may not take Librarians.

Black Templars may take Crusader Squads consisting of up to 10 Initiates (i.e. Tactical Marines) and up to 10 Neophytes (i.e. Scouts).

Black Templar Initiates may exchange their Bolters for Close Combat Weapons for free.

A Crusader Squad may purchase up to 2 Power Weapons, if you take a Sword Brother (i.e. the Veteran Sergeant upgrade).

HELBRECHT:

Once per game Helbrect can grant a Black Templars unit the Hatred and Fleet USR's for an Assault Phase.

May take a unit of Honor Guard.

GRIMAULDUS:

Grants the Zealot USR to any unit he joins.

If a unit is within 6" of Grimauldus' Servitors, they gain a 6+ Invulnerable Save.

Grimauldus has the It will not Die USR.

He has Wounds:3 and Attacks:3

THE EMPEROR'S CHAMPION:

The Black Sword (one-handed stance) - S:4 AP:2 Melee, Mastercrafted

The Black Sword (two-handed stance) - S:6 AP:2 Melee, Mastercrafted, Two-Handed

The Armour Of Faith - Grants The Emperor's Champion a 2+ Armor Save and a 4+ Invulnerable Save.

The Emperor's Champion is an HQ choice and DOES take up an HQ slot.

He may be the Warlord.

The Emperor's Champion has Initiative:5 and Attacks:2 (not counting weapons).

Все те, у кого не отобрали свой кодекс - вам в источник: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/2...s-rumor/page-74

фирма никаких гарантий не даёт

Изменено 14 августа, 2013 пользователем sidestep

[Dark Marshal]

Grav weapons - Have the Concussive special rule, but are not Blast weapons.

Grav weapons wound the target based on their Armor Save. For example a terminator has a 2+ save so they would be wounded on a die roll of 2+. Against vehicles roll a die, 1-5 does nothing and on a 6 the vehicle is Immobilized and loses a Hull Point.

RANGES & RATE OF FIRE:

- Grav-Pistol - Range 12"

- Grav-Rifle - 18" salvo 2/3

- Grav-Cannon - 24

DEVASTATOR CENTURIONS:

WS:4 BS:4 S:5 T:5 W:2 I:4 Ld:8/9 Sv:2+ InvSv: -

Unit Size: 3 - 190pts

- May purchase up to 3 additional Centurions for 60pts each

Standard equipment:

- Twin-linked Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters

Weapon Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Hurricane Bolters can be upgraded to Missile Launchers

- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Twin-Linked Lascannons

- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Grav-Cannon and Grav-Amp

Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Can purchase Omniscope which gives Night Fight and Split Fire special rules.

Dedicated Transport:

- They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Special Rules:

- Slow and Purposeful

- Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase)

- Very Bulky

- Chapter Tactics

- And They Shall Know No Fear

Изменено 14 августа, 2013 пользователем Dark Marshal

[Ranzou]

Dedicated Transport:

- They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Special Rules:

- Very Bulky

По три места в лендрейдере. Штурмовые колобки, привеет!

[Ferlim]

два дня назад половина форджика клялась что ни за что не будет играть колобками из-за их внешности,а сейчас уже обсуждает как их получше заюзать))))

[Void Zombie]

о, привет уютный.

что, стрелкотерми уже продавать или подождем немного?

[Bersserker]

А чем они теперь плохи, как были так и остались. У них дипстрайк есть. По ценам они примерно равны, 450+ за 10 термей или 190+265 за центуринов с лендаком.

[Nostraman Blood]

Интересно, Хэлбрехт---суть чаптермастер, будет ли у него орбитальный удар????

[Dark Marshal]

это же форж)

а по теме, колобки с двумя вундами, выглядят довольно неплохо, не чета облям, но в дэфэнс лайне или руинке будут стрелять знатно

я один нигде не вижу что у них будет дип страйк? то что у них 2 + еще не означает термо армор

Изменено 14 августа, 2013 пользователем Dark Marshal

[Bersserker]

Мой бланк заказа на данный момент

3 коробки - центуринов (1 в лендак и 6 хевисапорт)

2 коробки штернов (кидаем в подах)

1 коробка легиона проклятых, насрем в душу боингу тау

1 тактичка на полочку и набитсы

1 хантер (на полочку)

[abak]

я один нигде не вижу что у них будет дип страйк? то что у них 2 + еще не означает термо армор

Собственно наоборот говорилось уже что дип страйка у них не будет - так что везти в ЛРК придется.

[Sidri_cyberdog]

Интересно сколько будет стоит апгрейд на грав-пушку... Если 20, то боюсь может быть вопрос по необходимости колобков. 60+20+20 за колобка с 2 гравпушками... Многовато за пушку не игнорящую кавер.

[Hidenheart]

Интересно, Хэлбрехт---суть чаптермастер, будет ли у него орбитальный удар????

Можно предположить, что да, т.к. он теперь сможет брать себе почетную стражу как чаптер мастер.

Но это мои грязные домыслы. :rolleyes:

[Lavrenov]

Standard equipment:

- Twin-linked Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters

Weapon Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Hurricane Bolters can be upgraded to Missile Launchers

- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Grav-Cannon and Grav-Amp

Если я правильно понял, то центурион можно взять всего 1 грав пушку, 2 вроде взять не получится.

[Тюрьминатор]

с 2 гравпушками...

Гравипука ставится только одна.

[Curator]

Цены на легион проклятых постили? Просто каждый юнит с игнором ковра - сейчас на вес золото. (по этой же причине колобки так себе - без игнора укрытий не понятно за что платим. За убийство 2+3+? Как будто его убивать нечем! Нечем убивать 2+ рерольный кавер и флаеры, вот это проблемы.

А по поводу зениток, покупаем Фаершторм редут. (4линкед выстрела лазки с интерцептом, бс2, 200 птс, няшный бункерок) Иначе нет пути.

Изменено 14 августа, 2013 пользователем Curator

[Sidri_cyberdog]

Гравипука ставится только одна.

Ну это ещё спорно, но не суть. Тем более - 1 пушка за 20 очей. 80 очков за 5 выстрелов.

[Тюрьминатор]

Большая компиляция слухов по новому кодексу Space Marines с B&C:

WARGEAR:

CHAPTER RELICS:

There are 6 different ones.

Two swords, one Bolter, set of armor, one Storm Shield and one banner

They range from 25pts to 65pts.

One Chapter Relic grants a 6+ Invulnerable Save. (It's unclear who benefits from the Save generated by the Relic)

NEW WEAPONS:

Grav weapons - Have the Concussive special rule, but are not Blast weapons.

Grav weapons wound the target based on their Armor Save. For example a terminator has a 2+ save so they would be wounded on a die roll of 2+. Against vehicles roll a die, 1-5 does nothing and on a 6 the vehicle is Immobilized and loses a Hull Point.

RANGES & RATE OF FIRE:

- Grav-Pistol - Range 12"

- Grav-Rifle - 18" salvo 2/3

- Grav-Cannon - 24" salvo 3/5

Grav-Pistols and Grav-Rifles are available to all units that haves access to Pistol upgrades and Special Weapons, respectively.

Grav-Cannons are only available to Devastator Centurions.

Hunter Multi-Launcher (or whatever it is now called) - S:7 AP:2 Heavy1, Armorbane

Stalker's anti-aircraft guns - S:7 AP:? Heavy4

Siege Drills - S:9 AP:2 Melee, Specialist Weapon, Armorbane

WEAPONS CHANGES:

Auxiliary Grenade Launcher - is now 24" Rapid-Fire

CHAPTER TRAITS & SPECIAL CHARACTERS:

ULTRAMARINES CHAPTER TRAITS:

Ultramarines armies may choose 1 of the following three doctrines:

Tactical - The Tactical detachment re-rolls ones, unless they're Tactical Marines, in which case they re-roll all failed To Hit rolls in the Shooting Phase.

Assault - The Assault detachment re-rolls charge ranges, unless they're Assault Squads, Bikes, or Attack Bikes, in which case they get Fleet.

Devastator - The Devastator detachment get re-rolls on Snap Shots and Overwatch shots, unless they're Devastators, in which case they gain Relentless (as long as they're not disembarking from a transport in the Movement Phase).

MARNEUS AUGUSTUS CALGAR:

Is now 275pts

Is equipped with Artificer Armour by default. May upgrade to the Armour Of Antilochus for +10pts.

Marneus Calgar can take three Warlord traits.

The Armour Of Antilochus - his Terminator Armor - does not prevent him from preforming a Sweeping Advance, and it has a built in Teleport Homer.

VARRO TIGURIUS:

Tigurius is Mastery Level 3.

He knows all Psychic Disciplines.

He can re-roll his dice when determining his psychic powers.

He can re-roll Reserves rolls(even successful ones).

The Hood Of Hellfire is now a Psychic Hood that lets him re-roll failed Psychic Tests.

ORTAN CASSIUS:

5 points more expensive.

CATO SICARIUS:

15 points cheaper.

TORIAS TELION:

Telion has the same points cost.

​Updated with sniper rules for 6th Edition.

ANTARO CHRONUS:

Chronus is cheaper.

He increases the BS of his tank by +1.

SALAMANDER CHAPTER TRAITS:

Get to re-roll any failed Armor Saves from flame based weapons. (Flamers, Meltas, etc, as per page 56 of the Rulebook)

Their flame weapons (Flamers, Meltas, etc, as per page 56 of the Rulebook) get to re-roll any failed To-Wound rolls or Armor Penetration rolls that fail to cause a Penetrating or Glancing Hit.

Any Character gets to Mastercraft one weapon for free.

VULKAN HE'STAN:

Vulkan gives the Mastercrafted ability to Meltaguns, Combi-Meltas, and Multi-Meltas.

Otherwise essentially the same.

RAVEN GUARD CHAPTER TRAITS:

They all get the Stealth USR.

They get the ability to use their Jump Packs in the Movement and Assault Phase.

KAYVAAN SHRIKE:

Shrike can only Infiltrate with Jump Infantry.

WHITE SCARS CHAPTER TRAITS:

+1 to Jink saves

Autopass Dangerous Terrain tests

+1 to Hammer Of Wrath attacks

All White Scars units gain the Hit & Run USR, except for Terminators and Centurions.

KOR'SARRO KAHN:

Khan gives Bikes and Dedicated Transports in the White Scars detachment the Scout USR.

Moondraken inflicts D3 Hammer Of Wrath hits.

IMPERIAL FISTS CHAPTER TRAITS:

Bolter Drill - All Imperial Fists reroll '1s' to hit with Bolters (It works on every Bolter on page 56 of the Rulebook.).

Devastators and Centurions have the Tank Hunters USR and gain +1 on the Building Damage Table.

DARNATH LYSANDER:

Costs +30pts more

Has the Eternal Warrior USR.

Units within 12" re-roll failed Morale and Pinning Tests.

PEDRO KANTOR:

Pedro Kantor makes Sternguard Veteran Squads into Scoring units.

IRON HANDS CHAPTER TRAITS:

All Iron Hands have the Feel No Pain USR on a 6+.

All Characters and vehicles have the It Will Not Die USR.

Iron Hands get a 1+ to Blessing Of The Omnissiah

BLACK TEMPLARS CHAPTER TRAITS:

A Black Templars army may choose one of the following:

"Accept any Challenge, No Matter what the Odds" - Gain the ability to re-roll To-Hits rolls, and gain the Rending USR when you're in challenges.

"Crusaders" - Gain the Adamantium Will and Crusader USR's.

The Black Templars retain their current Ally Matrix.

The Black Templars may not take Librarians.

Black Templars may take Crusader Squads consisting of up to 10 Initiates (i.e. Tactical Marines) and up to 10 Neophytes (i.e. Scouts).

Black Templar Initiates may exchange their Bolters for Close Combat Weapons for free.

A Crusader Squad may purchase up to 2 Power Weapons, if you take a Sword Brother (i.e. the Veteran Sergeant upgrade).

HELBRECHT:

Once per game Helbrect can grant a Black Templars unit the Hatred and Fleet USR's for an Assault Phase.

May take a unit of Honor Guard.

GRIMAULDUS:

Grants the Zealot USR to any unit he joins.

If a unit is within 6" of Grimauldus' Servitors, they gain a 6+ Invulnerable Save.

Grimauldus has the It will not Die USR.

He has Wounds:3 and Attacks:3

THE EMPEROR'S CHAMPION:

The Black Sword (one-handed stance) - S:4 AP:2 Melee, Mastercrafted

The Black Sword (two-handed stance) - S:6 AP:2 Melee, Mastercrafted, Two-Handed

The Armour Of Faith - Grants The Emperor's Champion a 2+ Armor Save and a 4+ Invulnerable Save.

The Emperor's Champion is an HQ choice and DOES take up an HQ slot.

He may be the Warlord.

The Emperor's Champion has Initiative:5 and Attacks:2 (not counting weapons).

HQ UNITS:

CHAPTER MASTER:

Now has Attacks:4 and Wounds:4.

Still has Orbital Bombardment.

CAPTAIN:

Equipping the Captain with a Bike allows a single 5-man Bike Squad to be taken as a Troops choice.

CHAPLAIN:

There is only one level of Chaplain.

Now has Attacks:2 and Wounds:2.

Chaplain grants Zealot to any squad he joins.

LIBRARIAN:

They use the Psychic Powers out of the Rulebook.

MASTER OF THE FORGE:

Now has the It Will Not Die USR.

HONOR GUARD:

10 points cheaper per Marine. Now 25 points.

COMMAND SQUADS:

Can have Bikes

Cannot have Jump Packs

Cannot have Terminator Armor

ELITES UNITS:

STERNGUARD VETERANS:

3 points cheaper per Marine.

Access to Grav weapons.

TACTICAL TERMINATORS/ASSAULT TERMINATORS:

Thunderhammers & Stormshields cost +5pts per Assault Terminator to upgrade.

There is no way to make Terminators into Troops choices or Scoring units.

TECHMARINES:

No news to report.

ASSAULT CENTURIONS:

WS:4 BS:4 S:5 T:5 W:2 I:4 Ld:8/9 Sv:2+ InvSv: -

Unit Size: 3 - 190pts

- May purchase up to 3 additional Centurions for 60pts each

Standard equipment:

- Siege Drills (S9 AP2 Melee, Specialist Weapon, Armorbane)

- Twin-Linked Flamers

- Ironclad Assault Launcher

Weapon Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Twin-Linked Flamers may be upgraded to Twin-Linked Meltaguns

- Ironclad Assault Launcher may be upgraded to Hurricane Bolters

Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Can purchase Omniscope which gives Night Fight and Split Fire special rules.

Dedicated Transport:

- They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Special Rules:

- Move Through Cover

- Slow and Purposeful

- Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase)

- Very Bulky

- Chapter Tactics

- And They Shall Know No Fear

DREADNOUGHT:

No news to report.

VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT:

No news to report.

IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT:

No news to report.

TROOPS UNITS:

TACTICAL SQUADS:

2 points cheaper per Marine (14pts each).

Access to a Grav-Rifle as a Special Weapon option.

SCOUT SQUADS:

2 points cheaper per Scout.

May take Land Speeder Storms as Dedicated Transports.

FAST ATTACK UNITS:

VANGUARD VETERANS:

Heroic Intervention: Negates the penalty for Disordered Charge and the Sergeant auto-passes Initiative checks for Glorious Intervention.

They CANNOT charge after Deep Striking anymore.

1 point cheaper per Marine.

Jump Pack upgrade is 7 points cheaper per Marine.

BIKE SQUADS:

4 points cheaper per Marine.

ATTACK BIKES:

Possibly 4 points cheaper.

SCOUT BIKES:

No news to report.

HEAVY SUPPORT UNITS:

DEVASTATOR SQUADS:

2 points cheaper per Marine.

Flakk Missiles can be bought for +10pts.

DEVASTATOR CENTURIONS:

WS:4 BS:4 S:5 T:5 W:2 I:4 Ld:8/9 Sv:2+ InvSv: -

Unit Size: 3 - 190pts

- May purchase up to 3 additional Centurions for 60pts each

Standard equipment:

- Twin-linked Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters

Weapon Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Hurricane Bolters can be upgraded to Missile Launchers

- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Twin-Linked Lascannons

- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Grav-Cannon and Grav-Amp

Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)

- Can purchase Omniscope which gives Night Fight and Split Fire special rules.

Dedicated Transport:

- They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Special Rules:

- Slow and Purposeful

- Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase)

- Very Bulky

- Chapter Tactics

- And They Shall Know No Fear

THUNDERFIRE CANNONS:

Unchanged in rules and points cost.

VEHICLES:

RHINOS/RAZORBACKS:

No news to report.

DROP PODS:

Transport capacity has dropped back down to 10.

STORMRAVEN:

Same point cost.

STORMTALON:

No news to report.

LAND SPEEDER/LAND SPEEDER TORNADO/LAND SPEEDER TYPHOON:

No news to report.

LAND SPEEDER STORM:

The Land Speeder Storm is now a Dedicated Transport for Scouts.

PREDATOR DESTRUCTOR/ANNIHILATOR:

Cheaper.

VINDICATOR SIEGE TANK:

No news to report.

WHIRLWIND ARTILLERY TANK:

20 points cheaper.

Now 65 points.

STALKER ANTI-AIR TANK:

AV 12/12/10

S:7 AP:? Heavy4

Does NOT have Interceptor.

HUNTER ANTI-AIR TANK:

AV 12/12/10

S:7 AP:2 Heavy1, Armorbane

Does NOT have Interceptor.

LAND RAIDER:

Passenger Capacity - 10

LAND RAIDER REDEEMER:

Passenger Capacity - 12

LAND RAIDER CRUSADER:

​Passenger Capacity - 16

Изменено 14 августа, 2013 пользователем Бугагашк М00дерашк

[Curator]

Такой вопрос. Я просто наследников равенгварда собираю. Нам вроде как стелс дадут по чаптертактике. А вот у скаутов плащи ведь и так стелс дают. То есть надо бы миньки ьез плащей теперь собирать, или оно кумулятивно?

[Sidri_cyberdog]

Цены на легион проклятых постили?

Вроде по 25 за штучку

А по поводу зениток, покупаем Фаершторм редут.

А правила на него где найти можно? И он не в апоке ли только?

[RASHPEL100500]

А правила на него где найти можно? И он не в апоке ли только?

В коробке лежат