The Ashes of Prospero, Book 2 of Space Marine Conquests by Gav Thorpe Опции

[Pictor Jack]

На обложке (кстати говоря, появилась нормальная обложка здорового человека) по словам Торпа изображён Pack Leader Valgarthr

[Мой игривый енот]

Что там ходят за упоротые слухи в ВК и Пепел просперо о...

"ахтунг"

том что 13 роту вытащили из лабиринта Тзинча и теперь, по ходу. в полном составе волки обретутся тартаросами и сикаранами О_о????

[Pictor Jack]

Ну это ещё не самое интересное )
Эти спойлеры читал у буржуев. Книга же продавалась на уикэндере, вот счастливые обладатели ранних экземпляров и делятся.

"спойлер"

I do believe (and hope, I admit) that Leman Russ will be the next loyalist Primarch.

But if you're waiting for Ashes of Prospero to give you some hints, you're mistaken. I was lucky enough to have a friend of mine at the black library weekender and he brought me back Ashes of Prospero.

I read it and there are quite a few new things for the Space Wolves fluffwise but we can expect also some changes for the codex and maybe for the Imperium at large.

I'm going to spoil the content of the book, so, if you don't want to, do not read my message.

This book follows the events described in Inferno and the audio book "The Thirteenth Wolf"

This book takes place after the Crusade Indomitus. The Space Wolves are hard pressed to answer to all the calls of help and assistance that they received. Logan asks Njal to do some divinations in the hope to find Leman Russ. Njal doesn't find anything but he's drawn to Prospero.

Logan decides to send a little force of Space Wolves to Prospero under Njal's command. After some skirmishes on Prospero against the cultists of Magnus and then in the network of portals, the SW of Njal find the survivors of the XIII Great Company trapped in the network of portals. In the meantime, Njal discovers the reason why Magnus has returned to Prospero : he plans to use the network of portals to rid the daemons of the necessity of a warp rift to appear in the real world. he would have an infinite army and also more powerful.

After some exchange of greetings, reconnaissance of their brothers and negociations, the survivors of the XIIIth, follow the SW of Njal out of the network.
There are 200 survivors with their 30k arsenal : Stormbird, thunderhawk, spartans, predators... with their Wolf lord Bulveye at the head.

Njal orders its cruiser to bombard Prospero. And the book ends like this.

So for me,we have a lot of things fluff wise :

- The SW will be the only chapter to have real marines 30k with them.
- They will have a strange mix of SW 40k, SW 30k and Primaris.
- Who is going to lead the chapter : Logan or Bulveye?
- there are some clashs in the book when the marines 30k discover the Horus heresy, and the way of their brethren of 40k compared to the Imperial truth of 30k.

- Leman Russ is absolutely not seen nor do we have a hint of its return in the book.

- Some Chaos Primarchs are mentionned : Angron, Fulgrim and Lorgar

For me the fact that Leman Russ is not mentionned and that the book ends very abruptly is a sign that something is coming.

I think that we'll have a summer campaign opposing the SW against the TS for the control of these portals. Even if it's, or because maybe, a revenge for the events of Curse of the Wulfen and Wrath of Magnus.

It's the perfect occasion to bring back Leman Russ after the rediscovery of his 13th Company which we know, he has a particular bond with them.

And for us, players, we will be perfectly free to use our 40k and 30k models in our future army.
Just imagine access to Cataphractiis, tartaros, Stormbirds, Spartans... wub.gifwub.gif

So, what do you think of all this?

[Branne]

Звучит здорово. У каждого свои плюшки

[Мой игривый енот]

Вот это как бэ было описано?

"здрасте, приехали"

there are some clashs in the book when the marines 30k discover the Horus heresy, and the way of their brethren of 40k compared to the Imperial truth of 30k.

Ведь

"ну такое"

У волков, в отличии от Жили совсем нет мозгов. А адекватностью они особо не отличаются. Разрулят ли как-то или ... или все же волки 30к более адекватные, чем 40к. Но насколько я помню 13 рота и их лорд Булвай был одним из самых адекватных волков. В общем будет весело))

И вообще:

"и еще"

У волков прикольней всего. Есть волки 30к, есть 31к (примарисы) и 40к... ГэВэ... АСТАНАВИТЕСЬ!

[BrEd Pitt]

on the first day on Prospero Allfather gave me a brand new cataphractii

[Survivor]

Это что, офигительные истории про то как 13я рота шлялась по Оку Ужаса, кушала Серых Рыцарей, знакомилась с Рагнаром - перечёркнуто что ли? они так и сидели в тамошних порталах?
Не хотеть (

[Legatus]

Это что, офигительные истории ... - перечёркнуто что ли? они так и сидели в тамошних порталах?

"Может в таком виде "хотеть"?"

Так не вся,вроде, а часть - пишут 200 душ осталось.

[Survivor]

И техника. Технику-то туда как загнали? В аудиодраме довольно чётко говорилось что это именно пехота начала бегать по порталам...

[Mad_Rat]

Таки да, в аудиодрамев этот портал штормберд бы точно не влез.

По-моему это фейк.

[Knijnik]

Как всегда полный бардак. Кто-то высадился, кто-то на кораблях остался и помчался вдогонку. Где-то в портал пехом зашли, где-то на Мастадонте заехали. Все зависит от прописанных врачами таблеток для авторов форджи и БЛ.

[Pictor Jack]

И техника. Технику-то туда как загнали? В аудиодраме довольно чётко говорилось что это именно пехота начала бегать по порталам...

"спойлер"

Amon, a thousand son Sorcerer. He, I actually feel bad for and I wanted him to succeed in the Thirteenth wolf.

He was one of the sorcerers that was involved in the crafting / accessing of the portal network.
(which I am fairly certain is actually the Maze the Tzeentch created, it goes through dimensions and time. THere are parts in which the thirteenth thought they were moving through water, but it turned out that they were in a time dialation section and they were walking on concrete.
**(look at fluid laws, all things are in a state of fluid, just the time it takes for them to behave as such ranges. they were only in that room for a few minutes from there perception, but it couldve been thousands of years that pased), they could see the silver towers of tzeentch at one point)

- he was aware of the powers at chaos at play to turn magnus and the sons against the imperium, and that the wolves were played also, he just found out to late. so he put entire battles in the portal networked and froze them in time. with hopes that he and a wolf commander could halt the forces in those battles and do peace. so there would still be loyal sons of magnus.
- Bulveye at this point lost tons of brothers and he didnt beleive the sorcerer so he killed him. and in doing so the arcane manipulations he did stopped, so the battles began again in the portal system.
- in doing so it closed the portal entrance back to prospero

--Literal entire companies and warzones were frozen in time for both sides.

[Boooomm]

Я только одного не понял, а кто тогда с Рагнаром бегал в 6й книге от Кинга\Ли, если Булвай был заперт все это время в лабиринте? Или он что, в портале как Драйго заперт, путешествует в пространственно-временном континууме? Надо обозначить вопрос - как вульфены во главе с Булваем воевали с Рагнаром?

Это что, офигительные истории про то как 13я рота шлялась по Оку Ужаса, кушала Серых Рыцарей

Смотри, на Просперо воевало 600 Волков 13й роты под командованием Свена Кровавого Воя и Булвая (к 40К из них осталось 200). Это далеко не все же воины Великой 13. Многие не прилетели. И именно их Русс, кажись, отправил в Око, и именно они съели СР, и именно они воевали в Варзоне Фенриса. Вот только все равно не объясняет, как Рагнар умудрился повоевать с Булваем, если тот был заперт. Чет Торп, кажись, накосячил.

Сообщение отредактировал Boooomm - 04.12.2017, 20:19

[BrEd Pitt]

Это все варп. Лабиринт Тзинча - лучший способ оправдать любую несостыковку

[Mad_Rat]

Amon, a thousand son Sorcerer. He, I actually feel bad for and I wanted him to succeed in the Thirteenth wolf.

Так, стоп, что это за булшит вообще? Амона ВООБЩЕ НЕ БЫЛО В ТРИНАДЦАТОМ ВОЛКЕ. В.О.О.Б.Щ.Е.

- he was aware of the powers at chaos at play to turn magnus and the sons against the imperium, and that the wolves were played also, he just found out to late. so he put entire battles in the portal networked and froze them in time. with hopes that he and a wolf commander could halt the forces in those battles and do peace. so there would still be loyal sons of magnus.

И нет, там все было мягко говоря не так!

У меня такое ощущение, что это чей-то фанфик по мотивам форумного спойлера по аудиодраме.

[Pictor Jack]

Так, стоп, что это за булшит вообще? Амона ВООБЩЕ НЕ БЫЛО В ТРИНАДЦАТОМ ВОЛКЕ. В.О.О.Б.Щ.Е.

Пардон, опечаточка, это был Izzakar Orr.

И ещё пачка замечательных спойлеров всё оттуда же.

"спойлер"

The 13th is trapped in the network of portals. But Magnus did release a lot of wulfens in the events of Curse of the Wulfen. So we know where are the unaccounted of the 13th. Bulveye exits from the portals because Njal tells him that he will be reunitad with his brothers from the 13th. But he hasn't tell him yet that they were transformed in wulfens

The SW30k look oddly at the SW 40k. They are surprised because they are a bit religious with their armor. There is also a rivalry between the two forces. There is one in particular between Arjac and Vigga Deathblow, the first champion of Russ.
But the SW30k are also in shock when they learn of the treachery of Horus, the death of the Emperor and when they realise that they have been manipulated to destroy the TS.

TS sorcerer involved is Izzakar Orr.

But in the book, the Stormbird of Bulveye is described. Its name is "Clawrend". There are also two thunderhawks, one spartan and there are tanks larger than the usual that the SW40k don't recognize. At a time, they even speak of a Mastodon. So it's not impossible that there is one in. and of course some dreadnoughts and Terminators

For the survivors, they have been trapped for something like 2 weeks or one month in the network of portals.

The TS sorcerer which has send a shard of its psyche into Njal is Issakar Orr. He is horrifed of what has become of the TS Legion. When the SW first arrive in front of the first portal on Prospero, they are confronted by a force of 200 TS 30k who want to exit. The SW of Njal are completely outnumbered. But when the TS set foot in the real world, tey become dust.
At the end, the sorcerer and the SW make peace because they realised that they've been tricked. Issakar Orr closes the last portal to give time to the SW to evacuate the planet because magnus is behind them. He then returns in the portals, resolved to fight against his primarch and what he has become. I believe that we'll see this sorcerer in a next book or the future campaign.

The Primaris with the SW geneseed have joined the chapter. But Logan is careful with them because he doesn't know if they're stronger or weaker against the Curse of the Wulfen.

The wulfens who have been freed from the network of portals. It was certainly made by Magnus who wanted to put the SW under investigation by the Grey Knights and the Inquisition.

Yes, Iskaar is resurrected and hunting in the network of portals to find other of his brethren unaffected by the Cancelling. he is resolved to oppose his Primarch by any mean.

И не забываем, автор книги же Торп, так что какие вопросы, собсна)

[Mad_Rat]

Ну у Торпа все вяжется с тем что было ранее, каким бы омским оно не было, а тут я вижу лютые противоречия с Тринадцатым Волком, лютые.

[BrEd Pitt]

встреча ересевых волков и сорокетных: ВЫ ХОТИТЕ ВНОВЬ УСЛЫШАТЬ ВЕЛИКИЕ САГИ.тхт
Интересно, какова будет их реакция на Бьорна?

[Pictor Jack]

Ну у Торпа все вяжется с тем что было ранее, каким бы омским оно не было, а тут я вижу лютые противоречия с Тринадцатым Волком, лютые.

По мне так всё звучит более-менее правдоподобно, это ж ваха) Торп))

"Зацени вот это ещё"

Yes, Bulveye has killed Orr in the Thirteenth Wolf. But his soul has remained emprisoned in the portals until he is drawn to the soul of Njal who is wandering too near of Prospero. Njal carries the shard of the soul of Issakar during the main part of the book before Njal heals the body of Issakar to thank him for his cooperation that has permited to find the emprisoned SW of the 13th. And Issakar resurrect his body with his soul. It is after that he closes the portal behind the SW to give them time to escape from Prospero.

The 200 TS 30k who were also emprisoned in the network of portals do escape from the portal. But when they set foot in "the real world on Prospero", their bodies turn to dust and their armours fall to the ground, certainly because of the Rubric of Ahriman. The SW of Njal then destroy the armour to send their souls in the warp and give them time for their rescue mission in the network.

For the network of portals, it's a network that the TS have built during the Great Crusade. Magnus has used it to teleport the planet of the Sorcerer back in real space and plans to use it for his plans with the endless army of daemons. I don't remember well "A Thousand Sons" but for me this network is connected to the Webway of the eldar. but I can be mistaken.

Сообщение отредактировал Pictor Jack - 04.12.2017, 21:11

[BrEd Pitt]

так, я не понял, что это за ботва?

Т.е. пребывание где-то в Паутине/не в материуме спасает тысячников от рубрики? Дайте две